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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself Ian as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night last night now your electrifying

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hosts of exploring the bizarre Timothy

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Begley and team sports attention people

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of the planet Earth

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Brad stager has been picked up by the

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mothership and is on his way to the

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heavenly realms he wrote so devoting ly

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about for over 50 years he altered in

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the neighborhood of 200 books on UFOs

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and the paranormal his sales figures

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being off the chart he was hardly a

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language his work wasn't published in

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his life was filled with wonderment as

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he undertook the task of trying to

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understand what makes the cosmos work he

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was humble and carrying knowing about

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his way to be helpful to those who wish

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to follow in his pioneering footsteps as

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author and researcher the show was

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initially recorded about a year ago and

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features some of his many friends we bid

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you a fond farewell brother Brad but we

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will always miss your kind words of

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encouragement and enlightenment and

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wisdom from the other side and now will

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be available to us this is Ricky Oberg

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of Cleveland Ohio and I'm the editor of

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Flying Saucer digestion I'm really

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delighted to be here tonight to pay

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tribute to paranormal author and

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and Rick how long have you what was the

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first book that you read by Brad do you

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remember I'll tell you it was fifty

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years ago of almost fifty years ago I

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was a young ufologist I was publishing

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and editing my old original UFO magazine

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back in 1966 and later wait some time

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late in the year I ran across the copy

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in the local bookstore of Brad's

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strangers from the skies and immediately

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bought it up I you know read as many UFO

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books as I couldn't at the time and

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magazine articles and then introduced me

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to Brad Steiger it was a rather good

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overview of UFO history up until that

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time and it even included some of the as

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I recall some of the stuff that happened

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back in march of 66 and dexter michigan

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so it was it was kind of an up-to-date

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book and i was quite impressed with it

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and did you look for other books by a

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bread after that yes I did I I regularly

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uh at at that time a little bit later on

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I was of course of reading all the

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various UFO article paranormal articles

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that appeared in saga magazine so I

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caught a lot of grants articles that

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appeared in that particular publication

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some of his other books too one that

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that kind of impressed me at the time

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was what he did with it the cooperation

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with Jean right now and it was about the

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allende letters about the MK Jessup

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mystery as well as some other silencing

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and men and black stuff that was all the

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rage at that particular time well I

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believe I believe there was a book that

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came out called flying saucers or

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hostile yeah yeah which of course I

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sweetness and light but certainly this

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darker side to ufology and how would you

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say Rick over the years your own work in

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research has been o influenced by Brad

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well Brandis always had a very open mind

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about things and I mean he's written on

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paranormal topics so it kind of

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impressed me and I've tried to keep an

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open mind as he does and try to get as

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much information as I can and some of my

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publications and writing and one thing

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and here we go you know we're going back

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to 1968 he and writing are did an

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article about Ian's saga and it was

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called I pulled it up today just to just

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to read it and catch up it was called

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abominable space meant by Brad and Joan

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right now and it was I think probably

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the first mention of the possible

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phenomenon and UFOs because there are a

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number of cases in here the swamp

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the first time that the this paranormal

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aspect was you know tagged on to the

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whole thing surfaced out in Northern

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kind of early on and I think he and Joan

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were the first you know people to to try

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to make a connection even today it's a

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very unpopular connection because many

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of the bigfooters you know refused to

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explanation and they prefer to you know

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creature well we've certainly have all

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come a long way since the those days and

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Rick I want to thank you for joining us

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and Brad stager this is your life and

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we aren't we are concerned and we were

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just saying just before the start of the

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show that we met almost 50 well you have

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50 years ago my goodness that it that is

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that is long longer than most people

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know each other unless they're members

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of the family well we are actually

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family because this is brother Brad and

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he has been a friend and a an associate

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in a cohort and lectured for at many of

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our conferences and we've sang Christmas

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carols together and we swam around with

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little rubber duckies and swimming pools

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and celebrated celebrated celebrated my

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birthday together many times did the

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autograph for signings I remember at the

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the bookstore there in Phoenix Arizona

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we do we just have always had a

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marvelous working relationship and bred

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welcome to exploring the bazaar thank

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you so much thank you so much yeah well

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this is a night we have been looking

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forward to and Brad what issue I know

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you've written now I think according to

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statistics you have written a hundred

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and eighty-two books that is correct

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books some of these are size of the New

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York telephone book not like it today

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like it was twenty years ago just about

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the size of the phone book I'd like to

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comment on something Rick said about the

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at a Chinese restaurant now steel was

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so when the article came out it was very

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a simple one-liner in the envelope

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saying you win so so he recognized he

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combining the paranormal with what is

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always been open to that but you know at

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in both at that time definitely and I

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thought that was I learned in in

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semantics classes you know to avoid all

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the statements and that to me I would

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something like that but it wasn't about

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don't think the to Tim's are here to

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molest the airwaves oh yeah that's good

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that's a good way to put it molester

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Airways oh well you know I mean it's how

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can i how can I talk here Tim and Brad

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when you know I mean we've got you two

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on and I'm just I am just really humbled

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to to be here with both of you tonight

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you know because my my earliest books

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were from Tim and Brad Brad I think

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actually the the the first paranormal

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based book that I ever bought was was

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yours it was a paperback called voices

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from beyond I still I still have that in

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fact that's interesting

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our books that's the first book he said

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voices Umbreon so those voices must have

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been pulling you in pulling you in that

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you have nothing to apologize mr.

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Schwartz you have remarkable

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accomplishments and sherry and I

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appreciate so much the really classy

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work that you have contributed to our

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books and I mean you you definitely are

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in the family line you're in the family

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tree well thank you very much I know and

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I really I I owe it a lot to you hmm

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well thank you no you know bread it was

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Kenneth Arnold's anniversary of the year

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I believe that you and I first bumped

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Jim Mosley's infamous or famous UFO

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conference that was held in the summer

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of 1967 at the Commodore hotel in New

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at the height of the the swot the swamp

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gas right wasn't this around the time of

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the sightings well there was a lot of

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vector the swamp yeah yeah swamp gas

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that's what made strangers from the

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skies a best seller in two weeks because

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the book came out just when wonderful

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was quoted as saying that no Cherie

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worked for Hynek up until the time of

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his death so he was constantly trying to

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say well that's not what I meant but

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that's not what I said but in any way he

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was quoted as saying that and the book

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everyone was talking UFOs were in the

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mainstream on the news in the book just

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took off now interestingly before that

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time I really had written nothing about

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was my field and I was under contract to

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do a book strange guests the poltergeist

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phenomena and I was but something

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entered in that really threw things off

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but yet put it back on track in the

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greatest way that's when I acquired a

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number of personal belongings of Rudolph

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the great lover so I was brought to New

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York and 66 put up in the magnificent

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Roosevelt Hotel and and I finished the

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book there working you know with people

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that come over from the publisher and

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pick up a chapter every day and when it

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was finished I had my exposure to the

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first New York type cocktail party and

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there were editors there from many many

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houses and they said after reading the

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first draft of Valentino they said I was

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going to be the next Harold Robbins

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because I say with a plush there were

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some kind of sexy parts in Valentino so

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I was going to be the next Harold

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Robbins and I was going to write these

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baby lusty bestsellers and then my agent

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spoke up and said Brad is interested in

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writing cookbooks and he saw this

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oh well that got the attention of people

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from several different houses what do

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you mean by cookbooks and I said well

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that's my agents disparaging term for

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books about the paranormal well I would

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just move this very quickly by the end

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of the evening I was listening to story

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after story paranormal experience from

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all the various editors from the

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different houses one fellow particularly

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who became a good friend that award

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books said have you ever done anything

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on UFOs and I said well I have a stacks

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of information I have file drawers full

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but no he said well why don't you tackle

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UFOs besides that okay but in addition

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to that I went home with the contracts

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from five different publishing houses so

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it didn't hurt me at all to be branded

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an author of cookbooks because at that

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time in 1966 it was the field was just

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kind of waking up and everyone wanted

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one well I think we also should tell the

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listeners that that was the probably the

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heyday or pretty close to it of

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paperback books yeah you could you could

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buy a paperback book almost anywhere and

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we're not talking about today if you go

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into maybe a pharmacy you'll find the

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top 15 or 20 paperbacks if you're lucky

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right right right

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it was war to war paperbacks and all

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kinds of subjects I know romances were

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big in historical books and even

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westerns and then the paranormal where

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today you've got a kind of hunt around

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and park your behind at Barnes & Noble

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in order to get the you know the latest

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available title it's a it's it's a whole

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different it's a whole different

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ballgame today entirely yeah yeah indeed

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yours

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so right to point that out Tim because

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that that's what really I think you

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could still get some books for maybe not

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a quarter anymore but 35 cents or 50

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cents I think some of those early paper

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back to the mine were like 50 cents 50

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cents

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and they took off and added the

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readership and eager readership that

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would not have found it so as you say

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it's an entirely different ballgame now

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and as a author writer friend of mine

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said who had just come out with it with

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a new book he says this is probably the

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worst time in history who undergo any

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business that has to do with paper and

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and sadly you know I weep for that it it

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is changed it is completely there you

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know I started writing for the pulp

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magazines I started writing and selling

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when I was in college I was writing for

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the pulp magazines and the young writers

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they won't have that experience they

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parted every no but I mean when I say

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pulp magazine yeah we know bread I think

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we have someone else waiting in the

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wings here to say hello are you there

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Alan Alan Greene Phil here and Brad

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stager this is your life your heart out

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Ralph Edwards okay you can ask the same

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thing this Rick what was the first book

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I read you know I can't think that far

364
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back but I think it was that book about

365
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Eckankar in my soul I'm free is that I

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don't think I could have read when I was

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but a boy

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haha yeah I did and I the funny thing is

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I still use that technique not you know

370
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with the belief system but with my

371
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friend luminous students for for scrying

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so I learned from that and then Brad

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this is very interesting because I've

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been writing for little magazines since

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six you know back back in the day when I

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was but a callow youth but when it first

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came out your book the fellowship which

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is now you know like expensive resale

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which I know you don't get a penny for

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but no well you know some of my out of

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print books go for hundreds of dollars

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and the truth is right it's gone you

383
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don't get any residuals it's like The

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Three Stooges they died in poverty even

385
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though their stuff was constantly on

386
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because they had no follow on but anyway

387
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I read the fellowship and up until then

388
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I had been I was okay I was down with

389
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things like the hill case but I really

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did not buy into the the notion of

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spiritual communications with ultra

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terrestrial beings to borrow the term

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from from Keele and I it was a turning

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point for me and shortly after that I

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got the information that led to the

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publication of my first book which was

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at 50 which illuminate press was kind

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enough to pick up the well Beckley

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certainly noses with a secret cipher the

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you for nots couldn't have written it

401
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without having read the fellowship first

402
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because I wouldn't have looked into

403
00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:43,230
those kind of cases and the strange

404
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names that they seem to come up with it

405
00:21:50,420 --> 00:21:48,360
in those right and I also wanted to

406
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mention that since you've been writing

407
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the co-authoring with Sherrie I don't

408
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know how much she influences it but

409
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these these with Tim Buckley I can't say

410
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oversized but you know the larger

411
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paperbacks with the with the

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illustrations like monsters among us

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those are terrific I mean those are very

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contemporary

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they're almost coffee table books and

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maybe that's you know in tune with the

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time so I hope they do well and finally

418
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your most recent that I've read is real

419
00:22:26,780 --> 00:22:24,060
visitors plug plug plug great book and

420
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really on the same wavelength I am so

421
00:22:31,639 --> 00:22:28,679
I'm I'm happy that I've known you

422
00:22:35,210 --> 00:22:31,649
all these years you're uh you helped my

423
00:22:38,810 --> 00:22:35,220
career immensely so that's my spiel what

424
00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:38,820
else that's a wonderful that's a

425
00:22:43,820 --> 00:22:41,700
wonderful by-product Alan to have helped

426
00:22:47,330 --> 00:22:43,830
your career I know you didn't need any

427
00:22:49,399 --> 00:22:47,340
help because you are endlessly talented

428
00:22:51,230 --> 00:22:49,409
as you prove with everything you do

429
00:22:54,639 --> 00:22:51,240
but I really appreciate your saying that

430
00:23:01,159 --> 00:22:54,649
I want to go back and something that

431
00:23:03,169 --> 00:23:01,169
probably only Tim knows is because I can

432
00:23:08,749 --> 00:23:03,179
remember discussing it with him at the

433
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:08,759
time when strangers for the skies came

434
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out as I said through no fault or

435
00:23:18,019 --> 00:23:15,539
wonderfulness of myself it was you know

436
00:23:20,659 --> 00:23:18,029
priced right and paperback and became a

437
00:23:23,330 --> 00:23:20,669
perfect paperback set bestseller in two

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00:23:25,549 --> 00:23:23,340
weeks and went in everywhere well then

439
00:23:27,409 --> 00:23:25,559
of course I was invited to speak at this

440
00:23:30,499 --> 00:23:27,419
conference in that conference and so

441
00:23:33,289 --> 00:23:30,509
forth and I began to meet an

442
00:23:36,350 --> 00:23:33,299
extraordinary number of what we call

443
00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:36,360
contact keys I don't think we had too

444
00:23:42,739 --> 00:23:40,529
many abductees in 66 there were some but

445
00:23:45,169 --> 00:23:42,749
we didn't have that many but to contact

446
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:45,179
these I would listen respectfully I

447
00:23:49,850 --> 00:23:46,970
would hear what they were saying

448
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:49,860
sometimes then I've got telephone calls

449
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:52,559
from someone and I don't they didn't

450
00:23:59,899 --> 00:23:56,129
know each other maybe from Oregon and

451
00:24:02,539 --> 00:23:59,909
Ohio maybe on the same night saying that

452
00:24:03,379 --> 00:24:02,549
they had received a message from their

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00:24:06,590 --> 00:24:03,389
contact

454
00:24:08,659 --> 00:24:06,600
Mura from Mars or wherever and it would

455
00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:08,669
be word-for-word and I know these people

456
00:24:12,830 --> 00:24:10,289
didn't know each other at least I was

457
00:24:14,659 --> 00:24:12,840
quite certain but be the same word and I

458
00:24:17,149 --> 00:24:14,669
remember talking to Tim one time were in

459
00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:17,159
New York and I said Tim you know I feel

460
00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:19,529
like I'm back in the paranormal I feel

461
00:24:25,879 --> 00:24:22,950
like I'm back in the seance circles I

462
00:24:29,299 --> 00:24:25,889
feel like I'm not really what I think is

463
00:24:32,989 --> 00:24:29,309
going on I mean like yes star shows up

464
00:24:35,450 --> 00:24:32,999
over and over in unrelated obscure cases

465
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,460
we have a break we have a break coming

466
00:24:40,099 --> 00:24:37,200
up in Allen I want to thank you for

467
00:24:42,540 --> 00:24:40,109
joining us and brought me off the air

468
00:24:45,390 --> 00:24:42,550
Tim I'm used to yeah yeah

469
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:45,400
arts than this one Brad have a wonderful

470
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:48,400
evening with with the other guests well

471
00:24:51,270 --> 00:24:50,320
thank you so much and let's keep in

472
00:25:00,660 --> 00:24:51,280
touch okay

473
00:25:02,700 --> 00:25:00,670
ah we will do that indeed now back to

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00:25:04,980 --> 00:25:02,710
exploring the bazaars

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with two of the most electrifying

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00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:08,110
researchers in the Paranoid your hosts

477
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:14,170
Timothy Rebecca Lee panting Swift's well

478
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:17,290
here we are back back it once again yeah

479
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:20,850
back with exploring and the bazaar and

480
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:24,250
tonight we have a very special guest our

481
00:25:31,290 --> 00:25:28,140
a longtime friend and associate Brad

482
00:25:32,130 --> 00:25:31,300
stager and attended it you have a couple

483
00:25:36,540 --> 00:25:32,140
of questions

484
00:25:40,380 --> 00:25:36,550
oh my gosh where you know where can i

485
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:40,390
where can I start you know Brad I think

486
00:25:49,170 --> 00:25:46,450
that a lot of us would like to know what

487
00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:49,180
what actually got to started you know I

488
00:25:52,860 --> 00:25:50,950
mean you know we've all been coming on

489
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:52,870
saying that that you know probably you

490
00:25:57,660 --> 00:25:54,810
were the one that was responsible for

491
00:25:59,910 --> 00:25:57,670
getting us started you know interest in

492
00:26:01,170 --> 00:25:59,920
the paranormal and UFOs and things like

493
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:01,180
that but what about you what was your

494
00:26:11,610 --> 00:26:06,570
influence growing up in the house I did

495
00:26:16,260 --> 00:26:11,620
its we we were on the site of the old

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stagecoach stop the very one that the

497
00:26:22,170 --> 00:26:18,310
James Gang went through the great

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00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:22,180
Minnesota raid the Northfield Minnesota

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00:26:30,180 --> 00:26:25,840
raid they stopped there and growing up

500
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in the house I guess there are a lot of

501
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:32,230
passengers who are still waiting for

502
00:26:39,150 --> 00:26:36,250
their ride because my sister and I would

503
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:39,160
encounter people dressed in clothing of

504
00:26:51,630 --> 00:26:45,970
probably the 1880s or 90s we heard the

505
00:26:55,529 --> 00:26:51,640
sound of now I am old enough so that I

506
00:26:57,779 --> 00:26:55,539
remember farming with horses

507
00:27:01,889 --> 00:26:57,789
and of course in this house we have no

508
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:01,899
electricity no running water no indoor

509
00:27:09,090 --> 00:27:05,440
facilities so it was very much like it

510
00:27:11,249 --> 00:27:09,100
was and even though we had horses for

511
00:27:14,099 --> 00:27:11,259
the fieldwork we didn't have horses that

512
00:27:17,129 --> 00:27:14,109
pull stagecoaches and we'd hear the

513
00:27:19,859 --> 00:27:17,139
thundering sound of us and and stage

514
00:27:22,499 --> 00:27:19,869
coats coming down and this continued

515
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:22,509
even after we tore the house down and

516
00:27:35,099 --> 00:27:25,809
built a new one the manifestation stayed

517
00:27:39,869 --> 00:27:35,109
there so I accepted the paranormal I my

518
00:27:43,589 --> 00:27:39,879
mother and bless her heart and soul who

519
00:27:47,310 --> 00:27:43,599
has left us but she if she had chosen

520
00:27:49,769 --> 00:27:47,320
she could have been a spirit medium she

521
00:27:52,889 --> 00:27:49,779
did communicate with certain of the

522
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:52,899
people that visited at night there was a

523
00:27:57,749 --> 00:27:55,570
particular lady that would come and give

524
00:28:00,779 --> 00:27:57,759
instructions that she would relate to my

525
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:00,789
father about you better hurry up with

526
00:28:06,869 --> 00:28:03,210
the planting because there's going to be

527
00:28:10,619 --> 00:28:06,879
a deluge and things will wash away and

528
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:10,629
that sort of thing so it was a part of

529
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:13,330
life and then when I was roughly five

530
00:28:19,889 --> 00:28:17,919
years old I caught Anissa as we called

531
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:19,899
him with our Scandinavian background

532
00:28:27,479 --> 00:28:23,529
Maren elf as you might call him I caught

533
00:28:30,779 --> 00:28:27,489
him spying on my parents and then I'll

534
00:28:35,009 --> 00:28:30,789
never forget as he turn slowly and we

535
00:28:38,909 --> 00:28:35,019
made eye contact I somehow knew this was

536
00:28:43,529 --> 00:28:38,919
going to be a lifelong relationship and

537
00:28:46,619 --> 00:28:43,539
it has been because I speak respectfully

538
00:28:49,859 --> 00:28:46,629
when I say the little bugger but he he

539
00:28:52,469 --> 00:28:49,869
still he still likes to play tricks on

540
00:28:54,239 --> 00:28:52,479
me and test me and and see you know if

541
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:54,249
I'll fall for something or not and

542
00:28:58,349 --> 00:28:55,809
sometimes they're very clever and it

543
00:29:02,519 --> 00:28:58,359
takes a while so it's just a part of my

544
00:29:05,700 --> 00:29:02,529
life it was just a part of my life I was

545
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:05,710
encouraged to do vast reading by my my

546
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:09,250
grandmother who was the town librarian

547
00:29:15,930 --> 00:29:12,450
been an English teacher the town library

548
00:29:18,810 --> 00:29:15,940
consisted of her own personal library

549
00:29:21,690 --> 00:29:18,820
she had that many books and then she

550
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:21,700
bequeathed them through the town and she

551
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:24,010
still had enough books at home to have

552
00:29:31,170 --> 00:29:26,290
two library rooms that I would sit in

553
00:29:34,790 --> 00:29:31,180
and study and she saw early that I was

554
00:29:37,470 --> 00:29:34,800
tending and she would order books on

555
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:37,480
psychic phenomena some of the great

556
00:29:43,230 --> 00:29:39,910
British books I don't think there was

557
00:29:45,540 --> 00:29:43,240
that many American authors or American

558
00:29:47,690 --> 00:29:45,550
titles at that time but there are a good

559
00:29:50,370 --> 00:29:47,700
number of Brits who were writing in the

560
00:29:52,380 --> 00:29:50,380
Society for psychical research that was

561
00:29:55,170 --> 00:29:52,390
formed of course toward the end of the

562
00:29:57,300 --> 00:29:55,180
1800s and she had ordered those books

563
00:29:59,880 --> 00:29:57,310
for me but she'd always give me great

564
00:30:01,740 --> 00:29:59,890
caution you know now you must always

565
00:30:05,730 --> 00:30:01,750
keep balance you must keep your

566
00:30:10,830 --> 00:30:05,740
spiritual balance so when I went out and

567
00:30:14,130 --> 00:30:10,840
Bish's Lee ghost hunting I had no fear I

568
00:30:16,590 --> 00:30:14,140
had no apprehension because oh I had

569
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:16,600
been startled numerous times you know

570
00:30:22,100 --> 00:30:19,570
what when suddenly a shadow person or

571
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:22,110
whatever appears in front of you are the

572
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:24,730
rapping on the walls you never quite get

573
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:28,000
used to that and the sounds of footsteps

574
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:30,130
studying up and down the stairs you

575
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:32,890
never quite get used to that but it was

576
00:30:40,530 --> 00:30:34,690
nothing that really frightened once my

577
00:30:43,020 --> 00:30:40,540
my ratiocination as Edgar Allan Poe

578
00:30:46,170 --> 00:30:43,030
would call it would take over my mind

579
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:46,180
would take over in reason what it was so

580
00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:49,410
it wasn't until when I was formally

581
00:31:03,980 --> 00:31:00,150
very physical experiences that I really

582
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:03,990
had not had before it was always the

583
00:31:10,740 --> 00:31:06,970
stagecoach writers as they call them or

584
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:10,750
passengers excuse me that seemed to be

585
00:31:16,740 --> 00:31:14,770
like watching a movie and it was if you

586
00:31:19,890 --> 00:31:16,750
know I could see them they couldn't see

587
00:31:23,130 --> 00:31:19,900
me every once in a while one would stop

588
00:31:26,700 --> 00:31:23,140
and make contact and that eye contact

589
00:31:28,590 --> 00:31:26,710
and that was a very eerie feeling I'm

590
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:28,600
getting kind of a little shiver right

591
00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:32,049
now as I'm recalling saying now this one

592
00:31:39,510 --> 00:31:35,470
can obviously seek me the others I had

593
00:31:43,549 --> 00:31:39,520
rationalized were you know if this a

594
00:31:47,130 --> 00:31:43,559
theory of an impression of energy on the

595
00:31:51,299 --> 00:31:47,140
environment the spirit residue as we

596
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:51,309
call it so that was you know like 95% of

597
00:32:01,049 --> 00:31:55,450
what I had encountered until I became

598
00:32:03,330 --> 00:32:01,059
encountering some very I don't really

599
00:32:07,230 --> 00:32:03,340
want to say violent because hands were

600
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:07,240
never put on me but doors were smashed

601
00:32:17,810 --> 00:32:11,919
open violence things thrown around the

602
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:21,510
intellectual attitude my rationalization

603
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:24,490
that everything can be explained had

604
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:26,890
come up against something and I by

605
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:29,650
Thunder they want and OH that I

606
00:32:35,130 --> 00:32:33,610
recognize there were differences well

607
00:32:37,380 --> 00:32:35,140
and that's you know that's that's

608
00:32:40,110 --> 00:32:37,390
something that I want to point out is

609
00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:40,120
that you know you see a lot of these you

610
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:42,220
know so-called ghost hunters now

611
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:44,850
especially the ones on television who

612
00:32:50,820 --> 00:32:48,130
take a very almost frivolous attitude

613
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,830
towards this like you know they're young

614
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:52,000
and they think that they're gonna live

615
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:55,809
forever yet you know as you just said

616
00:33:01,200 --> 00:32:58,960
from your own experiences this is not

617
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:01,210
something to be trifled with you know I

618
00:33:08,730 --> 00:33:03,250
mean this know that's something that can

619
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:08,740
be very dangerous indeed indeed and as I

620
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:12,250
know you know there have been some very

621
00:33:16,890 --> 00:33:14,410
unfortunate circumstances just within

622
00:33:19,289 --> 00:33:16,900
the last two years of people being

623
00:33:23,789 --> 00:33:19,299
killed well goes hunting through an

624
00:33:26,700 --> 00:33:23,799
accident more people than accidents

625
00:33:29,789 --> 00:33:26,710
involving others were fatalities were

626
00:33:33,330 --> 00:33:29,799
involved so just from that standpoint

627
00:33:36,690 --> 00:33:33,340
alone and I just look at these you know

628
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:36,700
it seems from our email

629
00:33:44,190 --> 00:33:41,410
that every town with a population of at

630
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:44,200
least 500 has certain ghost-hunting

631
00:33:50,130 --> 00:33:47,170
group now is their little paranormal

632
00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:50,140
research society and and there are all

633
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:53,230
experts because they've seen maybe maybe

634
00:34:00,540 --> 00:33:56,940
they've read a couple of my books like

635
00:34:02,430 --> 00:34:00,550
the the big fat one that's going it's

636
00:34:04,820 --> 00:34:02,440
been out for some years real ghost

637
00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:04,830
restless spirits and haunted places

638
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:07,480
because that's often referred to and

639
00:34:11,580 --> 00:34:09,370
then the particular television show or

640
00:34:13,170 --> 00:34:11,590
two and and they're experts now they

641
00:34:23,670 --> 00:34:13,180
think they should have their own program

642
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:23,680
a lecture yeah some of them do hey well

643
00:34:27,390 --> 00:34:25,330
well Brady you know what I'd like to

644
00:34:30,810 --> 00:34:27,400
know now when you started first doing

645
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,820
this right and you did your first UFO

646
00:34:34,860 --> 00:34:32,800
book did you ever think that you would

647
00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:34,870
make a career out of this I mean was

648
00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:36,640
this something you really wanted to do

649
00:34:43,110 --> 00:34:40,390
or did you want to be an author and you

650
00:34:45,210 --> 00:34:43,120
know you were offered these book deals

651
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:45,220
and so you you kind of took them when

652
00:34:54,380 --> 00:34:51,330
did you really get hooked oh I guess I

653
00:34:57,540 --> 00:34:54,390
guess the first time that little Nissa

654
00:35:00,410 --> 00:34:57,550
when I caught him spying on my parents

655
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:00,420
that's when I got hooked I guess but but

656
00:35:08,130 --> 00:35:05,170
but no I've I could there are two things

657
00:35:11,300 --> 00:35:08,140
that I've ever wanted to be and one was

658
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:11,310
the cowboy and one was a writer and I

659
00:35:18,930 --> 00:35:14,560
realized that cowboy probably existed

660
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:18,940
only in the Republic double-feature on

661
00:35:24,540 --> 00:35:22,330
Saturday night and that writing is of

662
00:35:27,780 --> 00:35:24,550
course what I really wanted well you

663
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:27,790
would have man great Tom Mix I think I

664
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:30,780
would have I think I would have but

665
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:35,610
studying studying history is my passion

666
00:35:42,420 --> 00:35:39,490
archaeology anthropology that that's my

667
00:35:47,390 --> 00:35:42,430
essential reading I'm fascinated with

668
00:35:50,020 --> 00:35:47,400
history and I teaching right I mean yes

669
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:50,030
yes

670
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:52,850
I was and of course a couple of those

671
00:36:00,010 --> 00:35:57,680
guys now know David Drake who's been

672
00:36:02,530 --> 00:36:00,020
writing science fiction novels I think

673
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:02,540
he's trying to catch up with me he was

674
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:05,090
one of my high school students john

675
00:36:10,030 --> 00:36:07,370
karenann who is writing mystery novels

676
00:36:12,010 --> 00:36:10,040
he was one of my high school students we

677
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:12,020
still keep in touch which is a wonderful

678
00:36:18,130 --> 00:36:15,650
thing and a number of the girls girls

679
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:18,140
excuse me they are now women there are

680
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:22,250
no mothers their grandmothers and I was

681
00:36:28,690 --> 00:36:25,570
interesting on my birthday last year

682
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:28,700
endeavor to the wrote and said I didn't

683
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:31,130
realize how close we were together an

684
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:34,160
age we were teaching and that was the

685
00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:35,810
thing you know the when you're teaching

686
00:36:43,330 --> 00:36:39,110
you're old I can remember my first year

687
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:43,340
of teaching I wasn't 21 yet and when the

688
00:36:49,420 --> 00:36:46,910
juniors senior prom came around the

689
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:49,430
committee asked if I had it was the team

690
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:51,680
was the Roaring Twenties they came

691
00:36:57,340 --> 00:36:53,810
around and asked if I had any clothing

692
00:37:07,360 --> 00:36:57,350
from the 20s leftover that they might

693
00:37:10,930 --> 00:37:07,370
wear this was 1950 1957 and I had not

694
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:10,940
yet turned 21 and I was teaching but now

695
00:37:17,380 --> 00:37:12,890
we're looking for clothes from the 60s

696
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:17,390
you're right right so yes I did begin

697
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:21,770
teacher I love teaching and it was then

698
00:37:27,220 --> 00:37:24,530
I was teaching in college when Valentino

699
00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:27,230
hit strangers from the skies had all

700
00:37:32,770 --> 00:37:30,470
those things hit I was being asked to go

701
00:37:34,990 --> 00:37:32,780
and lecture I was asked to go on this

702
00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:35,000
show and that show and in those days we

703
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,590
couldn't do it this way you know I had

704
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:39,440
to be in what Tim you remember you had

705
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:41,690
to be in the studio to do a show right

706
00:37:47,020 --> 00:37:43,010
didn't do it right

707
00:37:48,940 --> 00:37:47,030
I just recently I was so tired of doing

708
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:48,950
this stuff on the on the telephone and

709
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:51,680
on skype when Paulino asked me to be on

710
00:37:54,850 --> 00:37:53,030
his show I said I'll come on your show

711
00:37:59,710 --> 00:37:54,860
but I'm gonna take the train up to

712
00:38:02,500 --> 00:37:59,720
Woonsocket yeah actually go into the

713
00:38:03,579 --> 00:38:02,510
studio because I hadn't been in a my

714
00:38:04,989 --> 00:38:03,589
good we used to try

715
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:04,999
around the country we went to every

716
00:38:11,319 --> 00:38:07,609
little radio station exactly right

717
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:11,329
exactly do a radio say well I guess the

718
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:12,890
radio stations are still there but

719
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:15,890
they're all you know playing the same

720
00:38:21,489 --> 00:38:18,049
programs and now they started actually

721
00:38:26,319 --> 00:38:21,499
are an end with you know a George Noory

722
00:38:28,329 --> 00:38:26,329
and it's the local radio I mean we there

723
00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:28,339
were a lot of guys in those days you

724
00:38:33,579 --> 00:38:31,940
know in Cleveland and Denver and all the

725
00:38:35,650 --> 00:38:33,589
subjects and you know if you wrote a

726
00:38:37,299 --> 00:38:35,660
book or you had some experience you

727
00:38:39,539 --> 00:38:37,309
could call them up and even if they

728
00:38:42,309 --> 00:38:39,549
weren't big believers that they would

729
00:38:46,420 --> 00:38:42,319
they would invite you on you know and so

730
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:46,430
we later the novelty we you know we had

731
00:38:51,849 --> 00:38:48,170
we had a lot of friends and contacts in

732
00:38:55,930 --> 00:38:51,859
those days you know and now according on

733
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,940
the on the internet you know so now but

734
00:38:59,380 --> 00:38:57,440
what do you what are you gonna do but

735
00:39:01,269 --> 00:38:59,390
it's still it's still something we

736
00:39:04,359 --> 00:39:01,279
cherish doing and we have we have the

737
00:39:07,989 --> 00:39:04,369
memories very very fleeting certainly do

738
00:39:16,329 --> 00:39:07,999
they certainly do do you remember the

739
00:39:22,059 --> 00:39:16,339
first show that you ever did yeah I

740
00:39:25,450 --> 00:39:22,069
think it was in Detroit and again I was

741
00:39:32,469 --> 00:39:25,460
teaching I got on the train

742
00:39:37,930 --> 00:39:32,479
in La Crosse Wisconsin and went to

743
00:39:40,839 --> 00:39:37,940
Detroit did a radio show okay now my

744
00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:40,849
memory comes back okay I'm coming right

745
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:43,400
from teaching right where college

746
00:39:50,410 --> 00:39:46,160
teaching where of course when you have a

747
00:39:52,660 --> 00:39:50,420
disagreement with a fellow instructor

748
00:39:56,019 --> 00:39:52,670
professor it's done in a very scholarly

749
00:39:58,599 --> 00:39:56,029
manner you know as well it used to be I

750
00:40:01,630 --> 00:39:58,609
don't think the change but it used to be

751
00:40:03,219 --> 00:40:01,640
well I beg to disagree with you but if

752
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:03,229
you will consider this point more

753
00:40:07,870 --> 00:40:05,049
carefully know that sort of thing so

754
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:07,880
when I went on this show it was a woman

755
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:11,359
and she was a she was an experienced

756
00:40:16,749 --> 00:40:13,249
woman you'd tell she'd had the show for

757
00:40:17,470 --> 00:40:16,759
a number of years very nice and I would

758
00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:17,480
take all

759
00:40:24,340 --> 00:40:21,020
or people from the audience and some

760
00:40:26,410 --> 00:40:24,350
would insult me someone would attack me

761
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:26,420
and I would answer of course very

762
00:40:31,810 --> 00:40:28,310
courteously and so forth

763
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:31,820
after the program she said you know if

764
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:35,090
you're going to survive doing these talk

765
00:40:38,109 --> 00:40:36,770
shows you've got to be more aggressive

766
00:40:40,990 --> 00:40:38,119
you've got to make

767
00:40:43,330 --> 00:40:41,000
defend yourself better probably five

768
00:40:45,790 --> 00:40:43,340
years I was back in Detroit doing a

769
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:45,800
number of shows and I was on her show

770
00:40:52,359 --> 00:40:48,770
well then of course it was the reborn

771
00:40:55,630 --> 00:40:52,369
Bret he wasn't a professor anymore and

772
00:40:59,890 --> 00:40:55,640
after that so she said wow you really

773
00:41:01,690 --> 00:40:59,900
took my words to heart well I think we

774
00:41:08,849 --> 00:41:01,700
have another we have another guest with

775
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:08,859
us Brent are you are you out there hello

776
00:41:16,660 --> 00:41:13,490
Brett rains are you there no no I guess

777
00:41:22,930 --> 00:41:16,670
not okay yes he is all right but then he

778
00:41:25,150 --> 00:41:22,940
has to answer us anyway this is this has

779
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:25,160
been a wonderful evening I mean we could

780
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:27,410
have had so many people wanted to come

781
00:41:31,900 --> 00:41:30,170
on the the program but you know you got

782
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:31,910
a kind of limited because this gets

783
00:41:36,010 --> 00:41:34,490
pretty hectic you know calling people

784
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:36,020
and trying to line him up and he's

785
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:38,450
fitting him into the schedule and and

786
00:41:44,980 --> 00:41:41,210
everything so when did this latest book

787
00:41:51,250 --> 00:41:44,990
of yours come out Brent came out I can

788
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:51,260
tell you precisely April 12 George Knapp

789
00:41:57,099 --> 00:41:53,330
you know our good friend George yes yes

790
00:42:00,490 --> 00:41:57,109
yes his producer called Chris parole

791
00:42:03,099 --> 00:42:00,500
called and said George doesn't have time

792
00:42:04,810 --> 00:42:03,109
to do an interview but you know he'd

793
00:42:08,380 --> 00:42:04,820
like to help you out by just giving a

794
00:42:11,410 --> 00:42:08,390
preview of the book well it was horrific

795
00:42:13,870 --> 00:42:11,420
preview he said fabulous things about

796
00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:13,880
the book and although it wouldn't be

797
00:42:20,140 --> 00:42:17,720
released because this was March 20th

798
00:42:21,810 --> 00:42:20,150
people began jumping the gun people who

799
00:42:26,349 --> 00:42:21,820
again buying it

800
00:42:29,859 --> 00:42:26,359
within an hour I was I noticed on Amazon

801
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:29,869
I was number three bestseller and number

802
00:42:33,370 --> 00:42:31,010
three you know

803
00:42:35,770 --> 00:42:33,380
most exciting new book type of thing

804
00:42:38,410 --> 00:42:35,780
which is the way it can happen you know

805
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:38,420
when people are when things are

806
00:42:43,660 --> 00:42:41,330
presented in a way and and sure and I

807
00:42:47,140 --> 00:42:43,670
feel really good about this book I mean

808
00:42:48,310 --> 00:42:47,150
I feel that this this is so much but

809
00:42:50,170 --> 00:42:48,320
what some of the other guys were

810
00:42:52,450 --> 00:42:50,180
alluding to

811
00:42:55,510 --> 00:42:52,460
you know we've developed so much farther

812
00:42:57,609 --> 00:42:55,520
in there so let's I think we have a

813
00:43:03,450 --> 00:42:57,619
Brent Raines are you are you on the

814
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:07,810
doing fine I'm all here now brother

815
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:12,650
Brent my gosh and we got Swartz me and

816
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:17,810
we've got everything when when did you

817
00:43:25,330 --> 00:43:22,730
first get a bread Steiger book well I

818
00:43:29,500 --> 00:43:25,340
started out as a teenager at age 14 in

819
00:43:31,330 --> 00:43:29,510
67 and let's see I think it was

820
00:43:36,430 --> 00:43:31,340
strangers from the skies was one of the

821
00:43:40,060 --> 00:43:36,440
first books probably sometime around 68

822
00:43:42,220 --> 00:43:40,070
69 when I had a my first Steiger book

823
00:43:45,580 --> 00:43:42,230
and you know I became very interested

824
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:45,590
early on because of Brad and in the

825
00:43:51,580 --> 00:43:48,130
whole contactee phenomenon and and

826
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:51,590
because of their very first contact he

827
00:43:56,830 --> 00:43:54,890
had met was mentioned in his book the

828
00:44:00,190 --> 00:43:56,840
Aquarian revelations published I think

829
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:00,200
in 71 and I think I was I was mentioned

830
00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:02,090
on page three of that book if I remember

831
00:44:09,970 --> 00:44:05,510
correctly yeah you mentioned in more

832
00:44:14,890 --> 00:44:09,980
than one that was two girls up and the

833
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:14,900
two ladies up in Canada right excuse me

834
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:18,530
that was Aquarian revelations so go

835
00:44:22,750 --> 00:44:20,090
ahead Brenna I'm sorry didn't mean to

836
00:44:26,980 --> 00:44:22,760
represent continue I know it well it was

837
00:44:28,870 --> 00:44:26,990
in August in 1971 the first contact yeah

838
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:28,880
I met was mentioned in that book a John

839
00:44:38,109 --> 00:44:34,250
Howard up in Toronto and just corporated

840
00:44:39,940 --> 00:44:38,119
that into a family vacation you know my

841
00:44:43,180 --> 00:44:39,950
mom and dad wanted to go on a trip and I

842
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:43,190
suggested Canada and I had a wonderful

843
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:44,240
time at

844
00:44:48,430 --> 00:44:45,890
spent several hours with this joan

845
00:44:51,370 --> 00:44:48,440
howard and her husband Walter and heard

846
00:44:53,230 --> 00:44:51,380
all sorts of very fascinating stories

847
00:44:54,790 --> 00:44:53,240
that we're the kind that we're all very

848
00:44:56,770 --> 00:44:54,800
familiar with now

849
00:45:01,210 --> 00:44:56,780
she had mediumistic abilities come from

850
00:45:03,790 --> 00:45:01,220
England and and she had lots of out of

851
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:03,800
body type experiences and seeing UFOs

852
00:45:08,740 --> 00:45:06,290
and and even encountered the men in

853
00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:08,750
black and of course as a young

854
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:11,390
researcher I was just very fascinated

855
00:45:17,500 --> 00:45:14,650
with all of it as I still am today and

856
00:45:20,140 --> 00:45:17,510
so that's how it began now I didn't

857
00:45:22,870 --> 00:45:20,150
actually start contacting directly with

858
00:45:25,630 --> 00:45:22,880
with Brad I tell I think until 1979 I

859
00:45:28,210 --> 00:45:25,640
called him up and he was out in Arizona

860
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:28,220
at the time in Scottsdale Arizona as I

861
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,130
recall and and I but we were both

862
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:35,599
affiliated with the old saucer scoop

863
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:37,490
magazine I just looked at an issue from

864
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:40,910
1969 and there I was the main director

865
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:42,800
branch director and you were on the

866
00:45:49,450 --> 00:45:45,440
advisory panel and of course the editor

867
00:45:51,460 --> 00:45:49,460
John Whitmore she was a un heard written

868
00:45:56,170 --> 00:45:51,470
quite a number of features back around

869
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:56,180
that time some book back in articles so

870
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:00,319
anyway yeah three main people I tell

871
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:03,849
everybody was a great influence on me

872
00:46:11,730 --> 00:46:07,520
evolving in the field was was Brad and

873
00:46:16,990 --> 00:46:14,859
well three three three we'll really

874
00:46:18,970 --> 00:46:17,000
great individuals as far as the field

875
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,980
the coach can't do any better than that

876
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:20,960
than that but Brent you've certainly

877
00:46:26,349 --> 00:46:23,480
been active over all these years you you

878
00:46:29,260 --> 00:46:26,359
have your alternate perceptions magazine

879
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:29,270
and how many are you for your almost

880
00:46:36,730 --> 00:46:32,890
what up to issue 300 by now well it's a

881
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:36,740
218 right now Wow that by the end of the

882
00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:40,490
year you'll be at 300 you'll take a few

883
00:46:47,890 --> 00:46:45,950
years but I'm optimistic and we got my

884
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:47,900
first book I've got two out one of which

885
00:46:52,809 --> 00:46:50,960
you published the second one the on the

886
00:46:55,690 --> 00:46:52,819
edge of reality and quests the visitors

887
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:55,700
from hidden realms in 2004 I was very

888
00:47:00,670 --> 00:46:58,010
proud of my six page

889
00:47:02,740 --> 00:47:00,680
production by Brad there were a lot of

890
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:02,750
common points and you know that we we

891
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:05,650
shared perspectives on all this

892
00:47:08,740 --> 00:47:08,480
well well bread bread let me ask you

893
00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:08,750
this

894
00:47:14,410 --> 00:47:11,270
of all the subjects that you've written

895
00:47:20,110 --> 00:47:14,420
about which do you you find the most

896
00:47:23,010 --> 00:47:20,120
fascinating well to me never I know

897
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:23,020
we've talked about this many times

898
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:28,960
excuse me it it is clear to me that all

899
00:47:34,900 --> 00:47:33,520
the subjects are more and more becoming

900
00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:34,910
one

901
00:47:41,890 --> 00:47:39,110
we don't have separateness here we have

902
00:47:46,990 --> 00:47:41,900
one we have a oneness and something is

903
00:47:51,070 --> 00:47:47,000
leading us toward that now each of you

904
00:47:53,980 --> 00:47:51,080
on the program right now I know in one

905
00:47:57,010 --> 00:47:53,990
way or another share that belief that

906
00:47:59,350 --> 00:47:57,020
Tim we started with men and black and we

907
00:48:04,060 --> 00:47:59,360
started going here and going there and

908
00:48:06,190 --> 00:48:04,070
doing all the conferences and and Tim

909
00:48:08,110 --> 00:48:06,200
and Brandt you've even been doing a

910
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:08,120
great job with your writing and so forth

911
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:10,130
but I think we've seen I want to talk

912
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:14,240
about poltergeist ghost UFO contactee

913
00:48:24,570 --> 00:48:21,010
when we see ancient figures when we see

914
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:24,580
increasingly going back back farther

915
00:48:33,820 --> 00:48:28,250
mankind humankind is older older older

916
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:33,830
than I mean when I was in college it was

917
00:48:41,830 --> 00:48:37,760
said that the Native Americans came to

918
00:48:44,650 --> 00:48:41,840
America about the time of Jesus Christ

919
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:44,660
well we know that's been pushed back so

920
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,880
much now we've got you know the Incas

921
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:49,280
and the Mayas and we're pushing back

922
00:48:53,980 --> 00:48:51,050
more and more and we're making more

923
00:48:59,320 --> 00:48:53,990
discoveries so my big fish for the

924
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:59,330
nation has always been who are we really

925
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:02,240
what we're going to fight we're going to

926
00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:04,850
find out after the next break and Brent

927
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:06,620
I want to thank you for joining us and

928
00:49:11,140 --> 00:49:10,010
being part of our well it was much like

929
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:11,150
Krypton

930
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:15,730
my pleasure not right back

931
00:49:27,590 --> 00:49:24,930
explore the bazaars are your e-ticket

932
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:27,600
ride into the world of the paranoid

933
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:30,880
strap yourself in as we traverse the

934
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:35,190
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

935
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:40,330
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology as well

936
00:49:48,270 --> 00:49:44,050
as other dimensions it's time to take

937
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:48,280
back the night last night now your

938
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:50,530
electrifying hosts of exploring the

939
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:55,770
bizarre Timothy Begley and Tim Schwartz

940
00:49:59,970 --> 00:49:58,000
welcome back to the second hour of

941
00:50:02,130 --> 00:49:59,980
exploring the bizarre I'm Tim Schwartz

942
00:50:04,860 --> 00:50:02,140
and tonight's I'm just absolutely

943
00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:04,870
thrilled we have Brad styler with us and

944
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:07,750
Brad before we had to go to break on the

945
00:50:14,550 --> 00:50:11,170
last segment of the program you were

946
00:50:19,650 --> 00:50:14,560
talking about your fascination with the

947
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:19,660
question of where did we come from how

948
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:24,690
long have we been here and I remember a

949
00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:27,010
paperback book that I had that you had

950
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:28,750
written and I wish I could remember

951
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:30,730
exactly where the title was I think I

952
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:33,730
want to say it was an Atlantis rising I

953
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:35,170
mean I know there's a magazine by that

954
00:50:42,870 --> 00:50:38,890
name but yeah it was that was that the

955
00:50:45,720 --> 00:50:42,880
title of the book atlantis rising yes

956
00:50:48,540 --> 00:50:45,730
antis atlantis rising which of course

957
00:50:53,250 --> 00:50:48,550
led then to mysteries the time of space

958
00:50:54,660 --> 00:50:53,260
right and who worlds before our own well

959
00:50:57,330 --> 00:50:54,670
you know it was it was that book

960
00:50:59,970 --> 00:50:57,340
Atlantis rising that that really got me

961
00:51:03,270 --> 00:50:59,980
going as well into that whole idea of

962
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:03,280
that that we may not necessarily be the

963
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:07,330
first technological civilization on this

964
00:51:14,430 --> 00:51:10,720
planet I mean and you really you opened

965
00:51:18,930 --> 00:51:14,440
my eyes to to a lot of this type of you

966
00:51:24,030 --> 00:51:18,940
know anti de lluvia n-- stuff and I mean

967
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:24,040
is I read you do you think that that

968
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:26,290
that could be the fact that I mean that

969
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:29,530
there were societies that maybe you know

970
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:33,010
just as technologically prominent or

971
00:51:39,090 --> 00:51:34,330
even more so than we are

972
00:51:42,810 --> 00:51:39,100
you know somewhere as the ice keeps

973
00:51:46,890 --> 00:51:42,820
melting guys we're going to see more and

974
00:51:49,950 --> 00:51:46,900
more as in Antarctica and other places

975
00:51:52,410 --> 00:51:49,960
that are slowly being revealed though

976
00:51:58,560 --> 00:51:52,420
they as antis rising had a strange

977
00:52:01,950 --> 00:51:58,570
history at that time Gale Kristofferson

978
00:52:03,930 --> 00:52:01,960
was was editor at Dell and she had been

979
00:52:05,970 --> 00:52:03,940
a friend when I was coming up through

980
00:52:09,330 --> 00:52:05,980
the ranks writing articles and so forth

981
00:52:12,570 --> 00:52:09,340
and she called me and said how do you

982
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:12,580
like the boo book on Atlantis and I said

983
00:52:17,550 --> 00:52:15,010
well I happen to be fascinated I don't

984
00:52:22,140 --> 00:52:17,560
know if there was such a literal place

985
00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:22,150
but I think we have prehistory we have

986
00:52:27,690 --> 00:52:24,220
examples of prehistory now this is

987
00:52:29,070 --> 00:52:27,700
written as you said here as you're

988
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:29,080
recalling this was written quite a few

989
00:52:34,290 --> 00:52:31,450
years ago so we've had a lot of

990
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:34,300
discovery sense which we've tried to

991
00:52:40,260 --> 00:52:38,170
include in updating in our new book and

992
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:40,270
in the last chapters in which we're

993
00:52:46,550 --> 00:52:43,090
dealing with things like evolution and

994
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:46,560
hybrids and so forth so the the book

995
00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:52,480
came out unusually well a weird thing

996
00:53:03,810 --> 00:52:58,090
happened Walt Walt Disney got a copy of

997
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:03,820
it and they want to do a movie based on

998
00:53:14,010 --> 00:53:08,010
it but that meant the book couldn't be

999
00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:14,020
released until they had the movie pretty

1000
00:53:20,850 --> 00:53:16,540
well in the can so that they could start

1001
00:53:24,570 --> 00:53:20,860
promotion well oh-hoo was hard to say no

1002
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:24,580
to big Walt in the gang so I said okay

1003
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:27,370
okay well it got one year and then

1004
00:53:33,420 --> 00:53:29,910
another year and then another year and

1005
00:53:36,900 --> 00:53:33,430
finally I got so much good stuff in here

1006
00:53:38,970 --> 00:53:36,910
and now new stuff so that's when I had

1007
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:38,980
an opportunity with prentice-hall to do

1008
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:41,200
a book mysteries of time and space which

1009
00:53:48,250 --> 00:53:44,410
deals with that now one of the the

1010
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:48,260
tricky things in it and I'm not

1011
00:53:55,930 --> 00:53:52,400
I'm not trying to start a feud and I say

1012
00:54:01,180 --> 00:53:55,940
this not in deprecation at all but

1013
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:01,190
because of the delay of the book

1014
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:03,770
von Daniken's book then came out like

1015
00:54:09,700 --> 00:54:07,010
two years before it did so it had to

1016
00:54:12,580 --> 00:54:09,710
have in the tradition of Erich von

1017
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,590
Daniken's Chariots of the Gods when

1018
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:14,240
actually of course it would have been

1019
00:54:20,530 --> 00:54:17,359
out two or three years before oh my god

1020
00:54:22,930 --> 00:54:20,540
that's so business as they say so now

1021
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:22,940
what was was there a tie-in with the

1022
00:54:30,370 --> 00:54:27,200
Disney movie no no they were they

1023
00:54:34,210 --> 00:54:30,380
finally dropped it and they did this

1024
00:54:36,970 --> 00:54:34,220
weird thing about two brothers in old

1025
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:36,980
Atlantis or something I could barely sit

1026
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:40,330
through it but but it they hid it there

1027
00:54:44,830 --> 00:54:43,280
again as you know guys this is the

1028
00:54:46,990 --> 00:54:44,840
business you know you can have your

1029
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:47,000
heart broken every day if you let it

1030
00:54:51,790 --> 00:54:49,490
happen but that was certainly a breaker

1031
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:51,800
because my kids you know because I come

1032
00:54:58,300 --> 00:54:55,310
home from a meeting with Disney and I'd

1033
00:55:00,880 --> 00:54:58,310
have Mickey Mouse pins and Donald's X's

1034
00:55:04,030 --> 00:55:00,890
and don't look there now and you can

1035
00:55:07,210 --> 00:55:04,040
imagine two kids you know daddy has a

1036
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,220
book it's going to be there's me haha

1037
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:09,200
look at us look at the new penny brought

1038
00:55:12,430 --> 00:55:12,050
back today and of course it just didn't

1039
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:12,440
happen

1040
00:55:19,620 --> 00:55:17,450
worlds before our own that led to

1041
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:19,630
mysteries of time and space but

1042
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:22,850
interestingly I keep saying that because

1043
00:55:30,220 --> 00:55:25,210
all of life I guess is interesting to me

1044
00:55:35,170 --> 00:55:30,230
but so many so what's the right word

1045
00:55:40,420 --> 00:55:35,180
Orthodox archaeologists have written to

1046
00:55:43,540 --> 00:55:40,430
me confiding that even though Atlantis

1047
00:55:47,050 --> 00:55:43,550
is just bullroar and most of the things

1048
00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:47,060
I wrote about were bullroar they still

1049
00:55:52,390 --> 00:55:49,070
said that that was the book that

1050
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:52,400
inspired them to go into archeology or

1051
00:56:00,690 --> 00:55:57,290
hence or policy such as such as life

1052
00:56:02,849 --> 00:56:00,700
that's gratifying to hear I know

1053
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:02,859
brand I think that we have somebody else

1054
00:56:08,550 --> 00:56:05,410
on the line that wants to talk to you

1055
00:56:10,950 --> 00:56:08,560
Paul are you with us as far as I know

1056
00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:10,960
all right fantastic we have Paul you

1057
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:14,710
know on the line well Brad I'm very

1058
00:56:18,870 --> 00:56:16,930
sorry to say that we don't know each

1059
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:18,880
other I don't know how that happened but

1060
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:21,250
you were an influence on me to say the

1061
00:56:27,089 --> 00:56:24,490
least from the early 70s for some reason

1062
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,099
in my seminary library in Connecticut

1063
00:56:32,370 --> 00:56:29,440
was a copy of the November one of the

1064
00:56:37,290 --> 00:56:32,380
November editions 1972 of the Winona

1065
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:37,300
Daily News from Minnesota there were two

1066
00:56:40,770 --> 00:56:39,040
stories that really captured my

1067
00:56:43,589 --> 00:56:40,780
imagination I'd been involved in my

1068
00:56:44,910 --> 00:56:43,599
first ghost investigation quote/unquote

1069
00:56:46,260 --> 00:56:44,920
with the previous year when you and

1070
00:56:48,690 --> 00:56:46,270
there was a story about a young man

1071
00:56:51,210 --> 00:56:48,700
would never played the piano before who

1072
00:56:55,470 --> 00:56:51,220
sat down and started playing melodies

1073
00:57:01,400 --> 00:56:55,480
from like 16th or 17th century England

1074
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:01,410
right you remember that yeah okay good

1075
00:57:07,319 --> 00:57:04,000
there was also a lesson

1076
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:07,329
it wasn't an England it was in Iowa oh

1077
00:57:15,780 --> 00:57:09,609
it was but it has occurred the previous

1078
00:57:16,829 --> 00:57:15,790
year the 1971 if I recall all right I'm

1079
00:57:19,740 --> 00:57:16,839
sorry go ahead

1080
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:19,750
no I'm saying this struck me I said this

1081
00:57:24,780 --> 00:57:23,050
is a man who thinks if I may use a term

1082
00:57:26,250 --> 00:57:24,790
that wasn't a cliche that wasn't even

1083
00:57:29,490 --> 00:57:26,260
invented then a man who things outside

1084
00:57:31,260 --> 00:57:29,500
the box and I was very impressed because

1085
00:57:33,809 --> 00:57:31,270
I was already running into things that

1086
00:57:35,849 --> 00:57:33,819
did not fit the old mold the old mold of

1087
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:35,859
ghosts and things it just it just didn't

1088
00:57:40,589 --> 00:57:38,770
it just wasn't good enough and you were

1089
00:57:46,380 --> 00:57:40,599
an inspiration to me to look further and

1090
00:57:48,359 --> 00:57:46,390
I thank you for that and and I have to

1091
00:57:51,300 --> 00:57:48,369
say that's certainly a prolific and

1092
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:51,310
versatile author the number of books you

1093
00:57:55,710 --> 00:57:52,810
read it takes me five years to write a

1094
00:58:00,599 --> 00:57:55,720
book so you make me sick in a way I'm a

1095
00:58:02,809 --> 00:58:00,609
great admirer versatile Renaissance man

1096
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:02,819
in the field all aspects of paranormal

1097
00:58:08,730 --> 00:58:06,190
biographies prehistory even detective

1098
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:08,740
stories that I've run into you know

1099
00:58:14,190 --> 00:58:11,770
bread you know bread Paul has a weekly

1100
00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:14,200
show out of wound

1101
00:58:22,170 --> 00:58:18,910
oon in Woonsocket Rhode Island it's a

1102
00:58:25,470 --> 00:58:22,180
behind the paranormal now interestingly

1103
00:58:27,810 --> 00:58:25,480
enough I've been on his show a couple of

1104
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:27,820
times but interestingly enough and

1105
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:30,130
certainly by pure coincidences

1106
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:32,290
everything is in this field 50 years

1107
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:34,810
previously one of the first shows I ever

1108
00:58:39,900 --> 00:58:37,450
did was with a gentleman who had the

1109
00:58:41,550 --> 00:58:39,910
noon I believe it was the noon talk-show

1110
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:41,560
up there by the name of Joseph farrier

1111
00:58:46,260 --> 00:58:44,050
if we remember him Brad he had all these

1112
00:58:50,430 --> 00:58:46,270
amazing photographs that he took all

1113
00:58:53,849 --> 00:58:50,440
over Rhode Island's cigar shake I do yes

1114
00:58:55,740 --> 00:58:53,859
I do remember yeah anyway they're at the

1115
00:58:59,300 --> 00:58:55,750
same score sir Joe passed away a couple

1116
00:59:02,760 --> 00:58:59,310
of years ago but Rand Paul has been

1117
00:59:04,530 --> 00:59:02,770
active at the the station now for oh how

1118
00:59:06,839 --> 00:59:04,540
many years you've been up there now Paul

1119
00:59:09,780 --> 00:59:06,849
well since we started the Phoenix in oh

1120
00:59:14,310 --> 00:59:09,790
wait this is oh nine oh nine so uh going

1121
00:59:17,579 --> 00:59:14,320
on six seven years now with my son very

1122
00:59:19,290 --> 00:59:17,589
very good very good program so came all

1123
00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:19,300
the way from New York to be on it so I

1124
00:59:26,730 --> 00:59:23,849
hope that we don't either that I was

1125
00:59:29,730 --> 00:59:26,740
telling that before because I hadn't

1126
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:29,740
been in an actual radio studio in years

1127
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:32,319
since everything is done on on skype or

1128
00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:34,450
over the telephone you know I didn't I

1129
00:59:40,170 --> 00:59:36,609
didn't even believe that studios existed

1130
00:59:41,550 --> 00:59:40,180
anymore Oh Brad come on wait in

1131
00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:41,560
California would be a pleasure to have

1132
00:59:47,849 --> 00:59:45,790
you by any medium let me say a little

1133
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:47,859
little bit more about the case Paul

1134
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:51,250
brought up the chapter does refer to

1135
00:59:57,180 --> 00:59:54,160
people who get inspirational music and

1136
01:00:00,480 --> 00:59:57,190
so forth but then there are no

1137
01:00:05,069 --> 01:00:00,490
coincidences I have come to believe long

1138
01:00:07,470 --> 01:00:05,079
long ago they Methodist minister who was

1139
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:07,480
a friend of mine said he had the

1140
01:00:13,859 --> 01:00:10,569
strangest case his daughter was going

1141
01:00:17,130 --> 01:00:13,869
with this young man who had never had a

1142
01:00:19,410 --> 01:00:17,140
lesson he never sat down the family

1143
01:00:22,170 --> 01:00:19,420
didn't even know we were piano but when

1144
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:22,180
he came to visit them he sat down and

1145
01:00:28,150 --> 01:00:26,319
just played beautiful what sounded like

1146
01:00:30,070 --> 01:00:28,160
classical music

1147
01:00:34,330 --> 01:00:30,080
so of course I had to hear this for

1148
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:34,340
myself and then you know life stretches

1149
01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:39,170
so beautifully sometimes the I sent a

1150
01:00:48,460 --> 01:00:46,670
tape to a cousin who sat beside me in

1151
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:48,470
the band in high school and played a

1152
01:00:52,780 --> 01:00:49,520
saxophone

1153
01:00:56,140 --> 01:00:52,790
she was now at a college teaching at a

1154
01:00:59,500 --> 01:00:56,150
college in California she had married

1155
01:01:04,390 --> 01:00:59,510
the music director of that college I

1156
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:04,400
sent him a copy of the tape and he went

1157
01:01:10,780 --> 01:01:08,210
bananas he just said I cannot believe I

1158
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:10,790
mean he says this is he says you have

1159
01:01:17,950 --> 01:01:15,050
the work and several a spiritual

1160
01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:17,960
frontiers fellowship I I don't know if

1161
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:23,090
you even remember that or debated pardon

1162
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:23,770
me

1163
01:01:34,270 --> 01:01:29,290
okay exactly and and that was composed

1164
01:01:37,420 --> 01:01:34,280
of great many especially Methodist

1165
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:37,430
ministers did sing to me but I had you

1166
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:40,250
know they of course not officially their

1167
01:01:44,500 --> 01:01:42,050
church perimeter on it are not

1168
01:01:46,180 --> 01:01:44,510
suggesting that but we had all these

1169
01:01:48,820 --> 01:01:46,190
people who had heard it and had

1170
01:01:50,770 --> 01:01:48,830
witnesses and so I just had to put that

1171
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:50,780
in my book revelation divine fire

1172
01:01:55,930 --> 01:01:52,490
because there are all kinds of

1173
01:01:57,820 --> 01:01:55,940
revelation and certainly music is one of

1174
01:01:59,710 --> 01:01:57,830
our basic and one of our most profound

1175
01:02:02,530 --> 01:01:59,720
because you know it's a universal

1176
01:02:06,070 --> 01:02:02,540
language and disk I mean how do you tune

1177
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:06,080
into this universe that this kid no

1178
01:02:11,830 --> 01:02:08,960
offense if he's a growing grandpa now

1179
01:02:15,340 --> 01:02:11,840
listening he wasn't particularly sharp

1180
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:15,350
she wasn't particularly bright but he

1181
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:17,770
sat down I mean he wasn't you know

1182
01:02:23,530 --> 01:02:20,330
inhale poured out that way but you know

1183
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:23,540
he's I would say as a former teacher he

1184
01:02:31,030 --> 01:02:26,690
was probably you know a high D student

1185
01:02:33,610 --> 01:02:31,040
and here's playing this beautiful music

1186
01:02:36,010 --> 01:02:33,620
so yes that's another type of

1187
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:36,020
inspiration and interesting that that

1188
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:38,570
you recall that story because that it in

1189
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:42,410
those days too and Tim will back this

1190
01:02:48,250 --> 01:02:45,650
our little stories might appear in saga

1191
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:48,260
or whatever but they suddenly found

1192
01:02:53,890 --> 01:02:51,650
their way to all kinds of newspapers and

1193
01:02:57,010 --> 01:02:53,900
so forth across the country that's

1194
01:03:00,609 --> 01:02:57,020
really also also - there were how many

1195
01:03:02,289 --> 01:03:00,619
tabloids in those days uh goodness how

1196
01:03:05,020 --> 01:03:02,299
many yeah yeah

1197
01:03:10,049 --> 01:03:05,030
my favorite was actually terrible title

1198
01:03:12,670 --> 01:03:10,059
but the best of the lot was the Tattler

1199
01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:12,680
our friend cliff a cliff line Decker

1200
01:03:17,250 --> 01:03:14,480
worked there in a latinized

1201
01:03:20,410 --> 01:03:17,260
and I think they were out of Chicago and

1202
01:03:21,819 --> 01:03:20,420
then they ended up going after they fold

1203
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:21,829
that they ended up going to Florida and

1204
01:03:27,279 --> 01:03:23,680
working for the Enquirer and

1205
01:03:29,589 --> 01:03:27,289
did that quite a few of books and works

1206
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:29,599
on country-western singers and

1207
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:31,970
paranormal I believe and quite a few

1208
01:03:37,450 --> 01:03:34,490
other you know books and works and you

1209
01:03:40,650 --> 01:03:37,460
know peer like do you remember Tim that

1210
01:03:43,620 --> 01:03:40,660
I had a weekly column in the Tattler I

1211
01:03:46,210 --> 01:03:43,630
don't remember that but okay well that

1212
01:03:48,670 --> 01:03:46,220
that was one that was that was one of my

1213
01:03:51,519 --> 01:03:48,680
favorites and I I contributed an article

1214
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:51,529
or two every week some under my own name

1215
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,930
and some under other names because they

1216
01:04:02,769 --> 01:03:55,760
didn't want anything to be written by

1217
01:04:04,990 --> 01:04:02,779
the same three authors the tabloids was

1218
01:04:07,059 --> 01:04:05,000
a great their field to to work in and

1219
01:04:09,309 --> 01:04:07,069
especially the Tattler they really

1220
01:04:11,019 --> 01:04:09,319
didn't change too much of anything they

1221
01:04:14,019 --> 01:04:11,029
would come up with maybe a hokey a

1222
01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:14,029
headliner or so as opposed to like The

1223
01:04:19,740 --> 01:04:16,910
Enquirer I remember one time I used to

1224
01:04:24,279 --> 01:04:19,750
write for the the star the national star

1225
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:24,289
it started out as a newspaper and they

1226
01:04:28,779 --> 01:04:25,970
sent me a check I don't know you sleep a

1227
01:04:31,089 --> 01:04:28,789
fairly decent money it was an article

1228
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:31,099
that I had done on Irene Hughes who

1229
01:04:37,210 --> 01:04:33,170
you'd actually a book about she was a

1230
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:37,220
psychic there out of Chicago and you

1231
01:04:40,990 --> 01:04:39,170
know I went out and I bought paid paid a

1232
01:04:43,539 --> 01:04:41,000
quarter or $0.50 of what it was for the

1233
01:04:45,220 --> 01:04:43,549
star to see my article and usually they

1234
01:04:47,650 --> 01:04:45,230
didn't use your byline that they either

1235
01:04:49,150 --> 01:04:47,660
use the byline of some reporter who

1236
01:04:51,870 --> 01:04:49,160
rewrote the article or they didn't have

1237
01:04:55,059 --> 01:04:51,880
any on there at all

1238
01:04:58,599 --> 01:04:55,069
newspaper I must have spent an hour and

1239
01:05:00,640 --> 01:04:58,609
I could not find it you know anywhere

1240
01:05:02,949 --> 01:05:00,650
you know the article so I called Steve

1241
01:05:05,140 --> 01:05:02,959
Dunleavy who was the editor of the paper

1242
01:05:07,209 --> 01:05:05,150
to time of course he was on TV and it

1243
01:05:10,719 --> 01:05:07,219
all made quite a reputation for himself

1244
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:10,729
in the years later on and I said Steve

1245
01:05:15,099 --> 01:05:12,890
where's the article that you just paid

1246
01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:15,109
me for and he says oh it's on page like

1247
01:05:19,959 --> 01:05:17,209
18 or 19 or whatever it was and I look

1248
01:05:22,150 --> 01:05:19,969
and sure enough there it was it was an 8

1249
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:22,160
page article when I wrote it it was down

1250
01:05:29,289 --> 01:05:27,410
to 6 little paragraphs on the bottom of

1251
01:05:31,660 --> 01:05:29,299
the newspaper with you know you couldn't

1252
01:05:34,509 --> 01:05:31,670
even well so I sold so I sold it to

1253
01:05:38,829 --> 01:05:34,519
somebody else you know I mean like yeah

1254
01:05:42,039 --> 01:05:38,839
why not why not it it really hadn't been

1255
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:42,049
published yet as a newspaper editor

1256
01:05:51,489 --> 01:05:47,839
you're right there were a lot of markets

1257
01:05:53,709 --> 01:05:51,499
and you know a lot of people got started

1258
01:05:55,959 --> 01:05:53,719
in the in the field than working for the

1259
01:05:58,689 --> 01:05:55,969
tabloids and all and people kind of you

1260
01:06:01,359 --> 01:05:58,699
know like look at it as if it's

1261
01:06:02,709 --> 01:06:01,369
something down scale or you know

1262
01:06:05,049 --> 01:06:02,719
something and all the stories are made

1263
01:06:08,890 --> 01:06:05,059
up and the UFO articles actually were

1264
01:06:10,329 --> 01:06:08,900
not in fact I I have this to say for the

1265
01:06:12,699 --> 01:06:10,339
The Enquirer

1266
01:06:17,799 --> 01:06:12,709
they paid decent money they paid right

1267
01:06:20,140 --> 01:06:17,809
away they had fact-checkers I mean I if

1268
01:06:23,859 --> 01:06:20,150
I did an interview with a celebrity they

1269
01:06:26,349 --> 01:06:23,869
wanted to hear the tape and so sometimes

1270
01:06:27,309 --> 01:06:26,359
they would even call the individual or

1271
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:27,319
the agent on the phone

1272
01:06:35,650 --> 01:06:29,690
the to make sure that I hadn't made it

1273
01:06:40,979 --> 01:06:35,660
up and for a time which got to be kind

1274
01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:40,989
of annoying the the Great Father Pope

1275
01:06:48,309 --> 01:06:44,209
any article that had to do with a

1276
01:06:50,969 --> 01:06:48,319
paranormal the reporters had to send it

1277
01:06:54,370 --> 01:06:50,979
to me to get my okay

1278
01:06:57,819 --> 01:06:54,380
if it seemed authentic or not I didn't

1279
01:06:59,829 --> 01:06:57,829
get paid for that so that's why I say

1280
01:07:02,079 --> 01:06:59,839
it's got to be a little tiring for a

1281
01:07:04,059 --> 01:07:02,089
time but then I couldn't complain

1282
01:07:06,999 --> 01:07:04,069
because you know they they did some

1283
01:07:08,420 --> 01:07:07,009
incredible articles on on me and the

1284
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:08,430
research and so forth

1285
01:07:12,590 --> 01:07:11,280
I considered that kind of an

1286
01:07:14,660 --> 01:07:12,600
old-fashioned bargain

1287
01:07:17,450 --> 01:07:14,670
well I remember there were a couple

1288
01:07:19,220 --> 01:07:17,460
articles I have in the drawer here that

1289
01:07:21,140 --> 01:07:19,230
were in the weekly world news which was

1290
01:07:23,810 --> 01:07:21,150
also owned by the inquiry but that was

1291
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,820
kind of like during a National Lampoon

1292
01:07:27,650 --> 01:07:25,680
but every once in a while you see a

1293
01:07:30,590 --> 01:07:27,660
photo of bread Steiger and there are or

1294
01:07:31,970 --> 01:07:30,600
somebody you'd recognize me wonder mmm

1295
01:07:36,230 --> 01:07:31,980
how did that get in there and of course

1296
01:07:38,780 --> 01:07:36,240
yeah some people some people couldn't

1297
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:38,790
quite grasp what an article I was like

1298
01:07:43,970 --> 01:07:42,690
you know supposed to be satire or when

1299
01:07:45,860 --> 01:07:43,980
it was supposed to be serious and

1300
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:45,870
frankly even the writers got a little

1301
01:07:51,380 --> 01:07:47,970
confused you know actually the Weekly

1302
01:07:52,850 --> 01:07:51,390
World News still has a website and every

1303
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:52,860
once in a while they're not owned by the

1304
01:07:56,060 --> 01:07:54,510
same people or anything anymore in fact

1305
01:07:57,770 --> 01:07:56,070
I don't know who's in charge of it but

1306
01:08:03,590 --> 01:07:57,780
every once in a while they still review

1307
01:08:07,610 --> 01:08:03,600
one of my books on there boy can't

1308
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:07,620
complain about that so Brad what's the

1309
01:08:18,820 --> 01:08:10,290
what's the next thing that you what's

1310
01:08:18,830 --> 01:08:27,400
with forming we have a loose title

1311
01:08:36,790 --> 01:08:31,210
haunted malevolent ghosts

1312
01:08:40,430 --> 01:08:36,800
night terrors and threatening phantoms

1313
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:40,440
threatening NASA that's not going to be

1314
01:08:48,590 --> 01:08:43,380
a typical ghost book really getting into

1315
01:08:51,020 --> 01:08:48,600
what our ghosts really why do we

1316
01:08:57,620 --> 01:08:51,030
catalogue them in certain ways are they

1317
01:09:00,620 --> 01:08:57,630
here are they really entities of the

1318
01:09:04,190 --> 01:09:00,630
Dead are they independent entities are

1319
01:09:06,980 --> 01:09:04,200
the teachers are they just really

1320
01:09:10,340 --> 01:09:06,990
exploring it what what is the

1321
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:10,350
manifestation that is worldwide that is

1322
01:09:16,580 --> 01:09:12,810
shared you know by every civilization

1323
01:09:20,030 --> 01:09:16,590
extant now and every civilization that

1324
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:20,040
was ever so what is this and well now

1325
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:21,930
you've got you've got to do an interview

1326
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:24,210
would Paul for the book because Paul has

1327
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:26,730
some very unique ideas on hauntings and

1328
01:09:34,250 --> 01:09:29,520
spirits and ghosts he believes that they

1329
01:09:35,780 --> 01:09:34,260
are parasites that's what I've already

1330
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:35,790
written that in one of my books and

1331
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:38,010
spirits who looks I've written on spirit

1332
01:09:49,820 --> 01:09:42,330
parasites so oh yes we share that yes

1333
01:09:54,860 --> 01:09:49,830
and that's one that's one type any any

1334
01:09:57,530 --> 01:09:54,870
more yeah any more UFO books well this

1335
01:10:01,700 --> 01:09:57,540
one you know Tim when I was a boy on the

1336
01:10:05,330 --> 01:10:01,710
farm of baling hay when it was horribly

1337
01:10:09,980 --> 01:10:05,340
hot and throwing this from the baler up

1338
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:09,990
to the wagon we prior list you know 700

1339
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:13,440
800 bales a day and my dad had this

1340
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:16,770
habit whenever we picked up the last one

1341
01:10:22,430 --> 01:10:19,530
and put on the cart he would let out a

1342
01:10:26,810 --> 01:10:22,440
yell and said this is the one we've been

1343
01:10:29,300 --> 01:10:26,820
looking for I kind of feel that and

1344
01:10:32,570 --> 01:10:29,310
sherry does in terms of the subjects we

1345
01:10:36,740 --> 01:10:32,580
cover this is the one we've been looking

1346
01:10:38,690 --> 01:10:36,750
for we've had many people say is our

1347
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:38,700
best book yet which always gives the

1348
01:10:42,470 --> 01:10:40,530
author kind of mixed feelings because

1349
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:42,480
you know well you mean you didn't like

1350
01:10:46,670 --> 01:10:44,640
the others well they're not saying that

1351
01:10:49,370 --> 01:10:46,680
and but that's one of those things that

1352
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:49,380
people saying we appreciate the spirit

1353
01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:51,090
and which they're saying it but we

1354
01:10:58,940 --> 01:10:55,080
really think we have covered so much we

1355
01:11:03,230 --> 01:10:58,950
are privileged to have scientific thesis

1356
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:03,240
by legitimate PhDs some of them were

1357
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:05,880
three or four some who've worked with

1358
01:11:12,230 --> 01:11:09,090
the army some who have worked with with

1359
01:11:15,730 --> 01:11:12,240
nuclear power writing their thesis of

1360
01:11:18,110 --> 01:11:15,740
what they believe our visitors are

1361
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:18,120
voices from beyond and parallel

1362
01:11:26,270 --> 01:11:22,710
dimensions and thusly the compliment

1363
01:11:29,630 --> 01:11:26,280
that that seems to us that these people

1364
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:29,640
are rather than publishing in the

1365
01:11:35,690 --> 01:11:32,090
scientific journals they chose to

1366
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:35,700
contribute to this book and share

1367
01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:37,500
I think ideas that are just going to

1368
01:11:43,550 --> 01:11:39,450
rattle to the teeth of some of the

1369
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:43,560
skeptics and some of us who have loved a

1370
01:11:47,870 --> 01:11:45,930
particular theory we don't want to take

1371
01:11:50,990 --> 01:11:47,880
it away but maybe we asked you to just

1372
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:51,000
expand that theory a little bit so we

1373
01:11:57,950 --> 01:11:53,970
are really shamelessly proud of the new

1374
01:12:00,230 --> 01:11:57,960
book now well think do you think that

1375
01:12:06,710 --> 01:12:00,240
there's ever come a time when this could

1376
01:12:11,380 --> 01:12:06,720
be proved scientifically any of this you

1377
01:12:14,060 --> 01:12:11,390
know it's interesting we subscribe

1378
01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:14,070
series subscribed for years and we've

1379
01:12:19,010 --> 01:12:16,440
extended it to New Scientist that's

1380
01:12:21,770 --> 01:12:19,020
published in Great Britain and they've

1381
01:12:25,610 --> 01:12:21,780
been having so many astonishing articles

1382
01:12:29,180 --> 01:12:25,620
saying we don't know really what's going

1383
01:12:32,420 --> 01:12:29,190
on I'm PC - SEC Britain's top scientist

1384
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:32,430
America's Yugoslavia or Russia whatever

1385
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:34,410
they contribute to this magazine and

1386
01:12:38,510 --> 01:12:36,450
more and more admitting we don't know

1387
01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:38,520
who what's going on we really don't know

1388
01:12:43,670 --> 01:12:41,490
we don't we all would time it we've got

1389
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:43,680
a break coming up this is our last break

1390
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:45,810
and then we'll be on for the last

1391
01:13:04,490 --> 01:13:01,910
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1392
01:13:07,790 --> 01:13:04,500
two of the most electrifying researchers

1393
01:13:13,670 --> 01:13:07,800
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1394
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:13,680
Lee panting sports you know I can't feel

1395
01:13:19,850 --> 01:13:16,560
it cept very humble when I hear that

1396
01:13:22,100 --> 01:13:19,860
every week it's just such a anyway

1397
01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:22,110
anyway this is this is Tim Buckley and

1398
01:13:26,330 --> 01:13:23,910
I'm here with my co-host Tim Schwartz

1399
01:13:30,140 --> 01:13:26,340
and we are doing a tribute tonight to

1400
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:30,150
our longtime friend and associate Brad a

1401
01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:33,290
stager Brad Steiger this is your life

1402
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:36,450
king for a night and we have witnesses

1403
01:13:42,490 --> 01:13:39,450
to say we have with us this segment our

1404
01:13:45,350 --> 01:13:42,500
friend there from Texas Nick Redfern

1405
01:13:48,380 --> 01:13:45,360
who's trying to catch up with a brad has

1406
01:13:51,740 --> 01:13:48,390
done 182 books and we figured that by

1407
01:13:56,030 --> 01:13:51,750
the Year 2070 - Nick will be caught up

1408
01:13:59,420 --> 01:13:56,040
with him I will never catch up with Brad

1409
01:14:07,520 --> 01:13:59,430
I can tell you that for certain I think

1410
01:14:17,660 --> 01:14:07,530
of it like 36 so 36 280 you know well I

1411
01:14:19,940 --> 01:14:17,670
think I think you might do it Nick -

1412
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:19,950
where we can live to 200 then I might

1413
01:14:28,510 --> 01:14:24,210
catch up you know right that happens

1414
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:28,520
even I can't sort of do a book awake

1415
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:30,930
leave that leave that to Tim Schwartz

1416
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:38,400
and I think we're up to about 200 27 of

1417
01:14:42,110 --> 01:14:40,080
course that's not what we've we've

1418
01:14:43,790 --> 01:14:42,120
written we've only written about 120 of

1419
01:14:46,580 --> 01:14:43,800
those but you know we've got a lot of

1420
01:14:48,440 --> 01:14:46,590
others including over the years brad has

1421
01:14:51,260 --> 01:14:48,450
done quite a few books so for us in fact

1422
01:14:54,350 --> 01:14:51,270
we had editions of divine revelations

1423
01:14:57,620 --> 01:14:54,360
and the Atlantis book and and so forth

1424
01:15:01,990 --> 01:14:57,630
but Nick tell us what what what is the

1425
01:15:04,590 --> 01:15:03,980
Cohen honestly tell you what the first

1426
01:15:07,170 --> 01:15:04,600
power

1427
01:15:09,450 --> 01:15:07,180
normal book I ever read was but it was

1428
01:15:11,490 --> 01:15:09,460
certainly when I was about eleven and I

1429
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:11,500
was getting into stuff like John Cale

1430
01:15:16,410 --> 01:15:14,800
and Brad's books and sort of early you

1431
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:16,420
know Charles Berlitz books that kind of

1432
01:15:20,910 --> 01:15:17,890
thing when I was like I said I was sort

1433
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:20,920
of 10 11 12 something like that and the

1434
01:15:25,380 --> 01:15:22,930
first one which I can take absolutely

1435
01:15:28,730 --> 01:15:25,390
sure of Brad's I read was mysteries of

1436
01:15:32,700 --> 01:15:28,740
time and space and he came out in the UK

1437
01:15:34,350 --> 01:15:32,710
through sphere books and I remember II

1438
01:15:36,570 --> 01:15:34,360
had sort of like a bright sort of

1439
01:15:38,670 --> 01:15:36,580
purplish cover with a UFO on the front

1440
01:15:40,350 --> 01:15:38,680
cover and it sort of really stood out

1441
01:15:42,090 --> 01:15:40,360
it's um you know I was like well I'm

1442
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:42,100
gonna get this book and so you know

1443
01:15:47,190 --> 01:15:44,800
either spent my pocket money on it all

1444
01:15:49,890 --> 01:15:47,200
by my you know delivering the newspapers

1445
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:49,900
which I used to do as a kid and saving

1446
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:52,330
it up you know sort of typical scenario

1447
01:15:58,380 --> 01:15:55,930
and and took it home and read it and and

1448
01:16:00,300 --> 01:15:58,390
it sort of fascinated me because you

1449
01:16:03,570 --> 01:16:00,310
know that I H I was getting just getting

1450
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:03,580
into the subject and also you know there

1451
01:16:08,460 --> 01:16:05,290
was stuff I obviously never heard of as

1452
01:16:10,290 --> 01:16:08,470
well and so Brad's was really weird

1453
01:16:13,970 --> 01:16:10,300
radishes I was one of the first papers

1454
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:13,980
who really got me interested in all this

1455
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:16,960
so you read the book and a brilliant

1456
01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:20,050
mind was turned on just like a glowing

1457
01:16:34,980 --> 01:16:31,210
light bulb yeah I liked the fact that I

1458
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:34,990
also read more of Brad's books but you

1459
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:36,730
know he wasn't someone who just focused

1460
01:16:40,380 --> 01:16:38,650
on one subject and there's nothing wrong

1461
01:16:43,230 --> 01:16:40,390
with focusing on one thing but I like

1462
01:16:46,530 --> 01:16:43,240
the fact that whenever I found a book of

1463
01:16:48,330 --> 01:16:46,540
Brad's that it would always be pretty

1464
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:48,340
much on a different subject you know one

1465
01:16:54,810 --> 01:16:51,610
book might be a UFO book then one might

1466
01:16:57,330 --> 01:16:54,820
be a ghost book and you know then one is

1467
01:16:59,600 --> 01:16:57,340
just across the board mysteries you know

1468
01:17:03,480 --> 01:16:59,610
like like missions of time and space and

1469
01:17:05,490 --> 01:17:03,490
you know that way I think you know

1470
01:17:07,710 --> 01:17:05,500
Brad's writing and these subject matters

1471
01:17:09,450 --> 01:17:07,720
have never become predictable because

1472
01:17:11,010 --> 01:17:09,460
because she's specifically because she

1473
01:17:12,660 --> 01:17:11,020
can't predict you know what the next

1474
01:17:15,180 --> 01:17:12,670
books gonna be and I like that and I

1475
01:17:16,860 --> 01:17:15,190
guess probably pass unconsciously

1476
01:17:18,090 --> 01:17:16,870
subconsciously ever you want to term it

1477
01:17:20,130 --> 01:17:18,100
I've sort of

1478
01:17:22,650 --> 01:17:20,140
I guess to try to emulate that a little

1479
01:17:24,030 --> 01:17:22,660
bit in terms of the fact that I like to

1480
01:17:25,470 --> 01:17:24,040
sort of you know jump around from

1481
01:17:28,890 --> 01:17:25,480
different subjects whether it's Bigfoot

1482
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:28,900
like monsters UFOs and because I think

1483
01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:30,880
the writing rate is appreciate that you

1484
01:17:34,740 --> 01:17:32,050
know if you can give them something new

1485
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:34,750
and different every time and there are

1486
01:17:42,030 --> 01:17:38,560
so many exciting topics subjects to

1487
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,040
write about and and yet we can say that

1488
01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:44,080
string you know that ties them all

1489
01:17:51,390 --> 01:17:49,510
together that binds them together yeah

1490
01:17:53,820 --> 01:17:51,400
you know that's one you never just

1491
01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:53,830
without we always say geez this is the

1492
01:18:00,930 --> 01:17:57,450
last book what could there possibly be

1493
01:18:03,660 --> 01:18:00,940
that I haven't written about already and

1494
01:18:06,810 --> 01:18:03,670
then I opened my file drawer pull out a

1495
01:18:08,730 --> 01:18:06,820
folder from 30 years ago and say geez

1496
01:18:11,490 --> 01:18:08,740
you know that sounds like something I

1497
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:11,500
haven't covered and and go back and

1498
01:18:17,580 --> 01:18:13,840
start digging and doing research on on

1499
01:18:19,950 --> 01:18:17,590
whatever the topic might be like I've

1500
01:18:23,150 --> 01:18:19,960
got I've got a huge folder here and I've

1501
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:23,160
been staring at it for years it's the

1502
01:18:30,930 --> 01:18:26,170
experiences of psychic experiences of

1503
01:18:32,910 --> 01:18:30,940
people during wartime now III know I I

1504
01:18:34,260 --> 01:18:32,920
know that you know there have been there

1505
01:18:37,530 --> 01:18:34,270
have been works that have been written

1506
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:37,540
on that certainly but what makes this is

1507
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:41,290
unusual as I actually wrote to a number

1508
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:44,290
of a military-type of publications like

1509
01:18:48,150 --> 01:18:45,850
I think this goes back 40 years ago

1510
01:18:50,220 --> 01:18:48,160
whatever and they put in money you know

1511
01:18:52,860 --> 01:18:50,230
name an address and all and I got actual

1512
01:18:55,170 --> 01:18:52,870
letters from people like firsthand stuff

1513
01:18:57,290 --> 01:18:55,180
so it's not like I'm sitting here you

1514
01:19:01,230 --> 01:18:57,300
know making this up this is legitimate

1515
01:19:08,460 --> 01:19:01,240
you know material most of which has

1516
01:19:11,340 --> 01:19:08,470
never been pablor just you know you're

1517
01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:11,350
out of out of subject matter there's

1518
01:19:14,910 --> 01:19:13,450
something that you know you need that it

1519
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:14,920
grabs your attention the next day and

1520
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:18,010
you're you're off and running Brad is

1521
01:19:23,220 --> 01:19:19,810
there a is there any one book that that

1522
01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:23,230
sold massive more copies than any

1523
01:19:39,870 --> 01:19:36,459
I suppose mysteries of time and space is

1524
01:19:43,689 --> 01:19:39,880
way up there

1525
01:19:46,779 --> 01:19:43,699
the real ghost restless spirits and

1526
01:19:50,319 --> 01:19:46,789
haunted places and then the two books

1527
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:50,329
that sherry and I did on conspiracies

1528
01:19:59,620 --> 01:19:55,840
just keeps going and going and going

1529
01:20:04,000 --> 01:19:59,630
revelation of the divine fire was really

1530
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:04,010
an in book at the time I got letters

1531
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:06,409
from a lot of celebrities movie stars

1532
01:20:12,069 --> 01:20:10,010
and so forth my son is in this cult my

1533
01:20:14,379 --> 01:20:12,079
daughter's doing this help me help me

1534
01:20:18,339 --> 01:20:14,389
and the book wasn't really about that it

1535
01:20:21,549 --> 01:20:18,349
was just about the the whole idea of

1536
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:21,559
what is revelation what is the process

1537
01:20:28,839 --> 01:20:25,250
and my contention that the mechanism is

1538
01:20:32,890 --> 01:20:28,849
the same regardless your religious or

1539
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:32,900
spiritual faith so those books are are

1540
01:20:40,779 --> 01:20:34,489
up at the top

1541
01:20:44,140 --> 01:20:40,789
I suppose the interestingly though I

1542
01:20:48,609 --> 01:20:44,150
really just edited it Project Blue Book

1543
01:20:55,540 --> 01:20:51,339
you know people people silly people

1544
01:20:57,850 --> 01:20:55,550
still ask about that book yeah I got no

1545
01:21:00,250 --> 01:20:57,860
selling I noticed but now so many of

1546
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:00,260
those books I just mentioned except the

1547
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,090
ones that we keep alive one way or

1548
01:21:08,740 --> 01:21:04,639
another you know they're for like $200

1549
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:08,750
or $300 or very found one for $600 and

1550
01:21:14,049 --> 01:21:11,210
that's that's just ridiculous that they

1551
01:21:16,959 --> 01:21:14,059
paid that much you know for a different

1552
01:21:19,029 --> 01:21:16,969
book I don't think people actually pay

1553
01:21:22,089 --> 01:21:19,039
that much I hate say that Brad because

1554
01:21:24,359 --> 01:21:22,099
I've seen a number of books that Beckley

1555
01:21:26,770 --> 01:21:24,369
and I have done you know my god yeah

1556
01:21:29,649 --> 01:21:26,780
Amazon that you know people are selling

1557
01:21:31,390 --> 01:21:29,659
for disease outrageous amounts I write I

1558
01:21:34,870 --> 01:21:31,400
suppose they're thinking that well you

1559
01:21:39,009 --> 01:21:34,880
know if I if I sell one hey I'm in yeah

1560
01:21:40,839 --> 01:21:39,019
absolutely absolutely yes and in and in

1561
01:21:42,910 --> 01:21:40,849
most cases they don't even own the book

1562
01:21:43,660 --> 01:21:42,920
if somebody does happen to order it from

1563
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:43,670
them then

1564
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:46,010
order it from Amazon and have amazon

1565
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:49,760
drop shipping yeah you know I I get the

1566
01:21:58,090 --> 01:21:53,090
same $3.75 a copy and no matter what

1567
01:22:02,830 --> 01:21:58,100
they sell it for it's interesting too

1568
01:22:04,630 --> 01:22:02,840
and and Nick I know you started to

1569
01:22:08,050 --> 01:22:04,640
notice this I'm quite certain you have

1570
01:22:11,050 --> 01:22:08,060
that a book you wrote some years ago and

1571
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:11,060
maybe didn't get as well a reception as

1572
01:22:16,570 --> 01:22:13,760
you would hope is now started to sell

1573
01:22:20,169 --> 01:22:16,580
well and vice versa books that you had

1574
01:22:22,540 --> 01:22:20,179
great hopes for now the one we were

1575
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:22,550
talking earlier about my book atlantis

1576
01:22:27,939 --> 01:22:25,610
rising now i think that has to be

1577
01:22:31,090 --> 01:22:27,949
included because that that's already

1578
01:22:35,020 --> 01:22:31,100
gone or before it went out of print it

1579
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:35,030
was in twelve printings and it had just

1580
01:22:39,669 --> 01:22:37,730
sold all over which led then to world's

1581
01:22:42,130 --> 01:22:39,679
before own in mysteries of time and

1582
01:22:47,250 --> 01:22:42,140
space and so forth it is one thing I

1583
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:47,260
found out and I had a wise publisher

1584
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:51,170
tell me when I was a young sprout is

1585
01:23:01,020 --> 01:22:55,250
that a book is forever and I found that

1586
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:01,030
out when this year the UK publication

1587
01:23:05,740 --> 01:23:03,650
Tim you were aware of it at Dark Knight

1588
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:05,750
or whatever does anyway they did a

1589
01:23:14,650 --> 01:23:09,280
feature on me very nice feature as the

1590
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:14,660
[\h__\h] first historian because of a two

1591
01:23:23,470 --> 01:23:21,890
book project I did in 1965 and you know

1592
01:23:25,780 --> 01:23:23,480
this book is just laying and now

1593
01:23:30,370 --> 01:23:25,790
suddenly here's this very bright young

1594
01:23:32,890 --> 01:23:30,380
actor writer in London who writes this

1595
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:32,900
article saying you know he selected it

1596
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:35,810
as a child he said it he he went to find

1597
01:23:42,330 --> 01:23:39,050
a lot of the movie stills himself and I

1598
01:23:46,030 --> 01:23:42,340
mean lo and behold something I wrote in

1599
01:23:49,930 --> 01:23:46,040
1965 is suddenly getting a two-page

1600
01:23:52,120 --> 01:23:49,940
spread in a British magazine and very

1601
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:52,130
nice complementary things are being said

1602
01:23:57,160 --> 01:23:54,530
about it so you just never know that

1603
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:57,170
that's the upside in the

1604
01:24:01,180 --> 01:23:59,600
exciting side of writing and then

1605
01:24:03,939 --> 01:24:01,190
there's you know we could sit around

1606
01:24:07,390 --> 01:24:03,949
over a beer and talk about the

1607
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:07,400
depressing parts of writing as well well

1608
01:24:12,490 --> 01:24:09,650
I I remember bread you you were also for

1609
01:24:14,110 --> 01:24:12,500
a while there were we're writing fiction

1610
01:24:18,010 --> 01:24:14,120
it's not something that you did a lot of

1611
01:24:22,419 --> 01:24:18,020
but you did a book to hypnotist yeah I I

1612
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:22,429
wanted I started as a when I was in

1613
01:24:30,430 --> 01:24:25,760
college I was editing the student

1614
01:24:33,700 --> 01:24:30,440
newspaper and it had a reputation in our

1615
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:33,710
College of getting all-american Awards

1616
01:24:39,610 --> 01:24:37,040
so the pressure was on so I was up all

1617
01:24:42,370 --> 01:24:39,620
night working on the paper because I was

1618
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:42,380
editor and then I would come home and

1619
01:24:48,820 --> 01:24:44,810
and then it you know maybe go to class

1620
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:48,830
and like two hours so why go to bed so I

1621
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:51,650
sit down and write a short story but

1622
01:24:57,180 --> 01:24:53,920
those most of those were fiction I

1623
01:25:00,700 --> 01:24:57,190
really wanted to be a fiction writer

1624
01:25:05,650 --> 01:25:00,710
historical romances I wanted to write

1625
01:25:07,900 --> 01:25:05,660
that kind of sweeping novel but my peer

1626
01:25:11,050 --> 01:25:07,910
area of interest was of course always

1627
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:11,060
the paranormal so even the detective

1628
01:25:16,780 --> 01:25:13,040
stories I wrote for Ella we Korean

1629
01:25:18,970 --> 01:25:16,790
Alfred Hitchcock people like that they

1630
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:18,980
still had a paranormal twist to it

1631
01:25:23,530 --> 01:25:20,960
almost all of them I can't think of one

1632
01:25:25,689 --> 01:25:23,540
that didn't have a paranormal twist even

1633
01:25:28,959 --> 01:25:25,699
though they were detective stories or

1634
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:28,969
mystery stories so the novels then were

1635
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:32,090
a chance the interesting thing and here

1636
01:25:38,290 --> 01:25:35,090
again you know you I bring out my crying

1637
01:25:43,630 --> 01:25:38,300
towel so bear with me every one of my

1638
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:43,640
three novels were optioned by a motion

1639
01:25:52,860 --> 01:25:48,770
picture company before publication not

1640
01:25:56,979 --> 01:25:52,870
one ever made it to the movies but my

1641
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:56,989
nonfiction book Valentino and then the

1642
01:26:03,180 --> 01:25:59,840
one we did on strange powers that was

1643
01:26:05,770 --> 01:26:03,190
more a documentary

1644
01:26:08,050 --> 01:26:05,780
Valentino of course that was you know

1645
01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:08,060
again a British production Ken Russell

1646
01:26:15,610 --> 01:26:10,880
with with the great ballet

1647
01:26:19,300 --> 01:26:15,620
master in it himself so that I just

1648
01:26:21,820 --> 01:26:19,310
decided well truth is stranger than

1649
01:26:24,850 --> 01:26:21,830
fiction and I guess there's a message

1650
01:26:27,250 --> 01:26:24,860
for me here I'll stay with nonfiction

1651
01:26:31,090 --> 01:26:27,260
but you know every once in a while I

1652
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:31,100
think that's a great idea for a novel so

1653
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:33,199
who knows you might see another novel

1654
01:26:37,689 --> 01:26:36,530
for me yet well I remember back when you

1655
01:26:40,450 --> 01:26:37,699
wrote the hypnotist and there were a

1656
01:26:44,379 --> 01:26:40,460
couple other books we tried to get some

1657
01:26:46,660 --> 01:26:44,389
studio interest in the in the in those

1658
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:46,670
titles and some of the other things we

1659
01:26:50,770 --> 01:26:48,770
had some my great ideas and things like

1660
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:50,780
that but right you know you got a kind

1661
01:26:57,490 --> 01:26:53,120
of a conceive of a lot Hollywood is a

1662
01:26:58,899 --> 01:26:57,500
whole different and you know you wait

1663
01:27:02,140 --> 01:26:58,909
you waiting to hear and you waiting to

1664
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:02,150
hear you know the CEO see if it ever

1665
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:04,250
happens and then like you say Walt

1666
01:27:15,370 --> 01:27:12,530
Disney never calls back yeah but my kids

1667
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:15,380
they did really relish those special

1668
01:27:18,340 --> 01:27:17,570
pens and gifts that they send with us

1669
01:27:23,470 --> 01:27:18,350
every time

1670
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:23,480
well Brad what about did did you have

1671
01:27:30,700 --> 01:27:27,650
any books that you were positive that

1672
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:30,710
we're just going to be bestsellers or

1673
01:27:40,060 --> 01:27:32,810
did you absolutely loved and they just

1674
01:27:45,879 --> 01:27:40,070
what absolutely nowhere hmm I don't I

1675
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:45,889
don't think so I you know certainly and

1676
01:27:53,950 --> 01:27:51,290
not infallible but I do have a I do have

1677
01:27:56,290 --> 01:27:53,960
a pretty good sense

1678
01:27:58,570 --> 01:27:56,300
things are getting removed now you know

1679
01:28:01,330 --> 01:27:58,580
it's not like when I went to New York

1680
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:01,340
once a month or whatever in ten and I

1681
01:28:07,090 --> 01:28:05,210
would and others would get together and

1682
01:28:08,919 --> 01:28:07,100
we talk about what's going and where

1683
01:28:13,540 --> 01:28:08,929
should we do a conference and build

1684
01:28:16,419 --> 01:28:13,550
something around it so I I think I think

1685
01:28:18,129 --> 01:28:16,429
I've been I won't say it's been a smash

1686
01:28:21,340 --> 01:28:18,139
every time I'm not saying that guys

1687
01:28:25,140 --> 01:28:21,350
please don't misinterpret but I can't

1688
01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:25,150
say there's any great discipline

1689
01:28:30,029 --> 01:28:27,760
you see a book like Hollywood in the

1690
01:28:33,029 --> 01:28:30,039
supernatural we thought would would take

1691
01:28:39,029 --> 01:28:33,039
off a little more but then golly we did

1692
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:39,039
a special for HBO we did a special for

1693
01:28:44,939 --> 01:28:42,239
Japanese television we were on all the

1694
01:28:48,810 --> 01:28:44,949
entertainment shows Hollywood tonight

1695
01:28:51,689 --> 01:28:48,820
and and all the show so it got us a lot

1696
01:28:55,140 --> 01:28:51,699
of publicity for that book and others so

1697
01:28:58,319 --> 01:28:55,150
III just there's kind of a balancing

1698
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:58,329
project I mean it principle I meant to

1699
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:00,639
say a balancing principle at least it

1700
01:29:08,250 --> 01:29:02,800
has been for me and for the books that

1701
01:29:10,020 --> 01:29:08,260
sherry and I have done well you know the

1702
01:29:11,370 --> 01:29:10,030
last few years of course like I say that

1703
01:29:14,430 --> 01:29:11,380
the writing in the publishing field is

1704
01:29:18,750 --> 01:29:14,440
is changing certainly changed almost

1705
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:18,760
overnight but I look I look at it is no

1706
01:29:23,939 --> 01:29:20,650
matter what I do even if it doesn't sell

1707
01:29:26,009 --> 01:29:23,949
that you know 5000 copies or 10,000

1708
01:29:29,489 --> 01:29:26,019
copies that it might have done 10 years

1709
01:29:31,319 --> 01:29:29,499
ago I'm still promoting myself and you

1710
01:29:33,989 --> 01:29:31,329
never know when something down the road

1711
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:33,999
that you're not even aware of at this

1712
01:29:39,899 --> 01:29:36,489
moment might actually click you know so

1713
01:29:42,330 --> 01:29:39,909
you gotta kind of it kind of you have to

1714
01:29:44,699 --> 01:29:42,340
go into it in that respect that you

1715
01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:44,709
can't necessarily have immediate

1716
01:29:52,009 --> 01:29:49,209
gratification no no in Tim the important

1717
01:29:55,229 --> 01:29:52,019
point you made earlier about the

1718
01:30:02,089 --> 01:29:55,239
marvelous magical days of the paperback

1719
01:30:05,009 --> 01:30:02,099
oh yeah I mean it's hard getting used to

1720
01:30:07,169 --> 01:30:05,019
not hearing the publisher saying that

1721
01:30:16,020 --> 01:30:07,179
the first print run is two hundred and

1722
01:30:21,870 --> 01:30:16,030
fifty with with Project Blue Book the

1723
01:30:24,029 --> 01:30:21,880
first press one was a million and for

1724
01:30:28,109 --> 01:30:24,039
that book read on the back cover of

1725
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:28,119
every year UFO magazine and an Enquirer

1726
01:30:36,449 --> 01:30:32,880
for a couple of years I fear still on

1727
01:30:38,399 --> 01:30:36,459
sell on Amazon I saw not too long ago

1728
01:30:41,669 --> 01:30:38,409
the acting like they're still selling

1729
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:41,679
and the number that I have I have seen

1730
01:30:45,330 --> 01:30:44,080
it in the in Barnes & Noble you know

1731
01:30:48,629 --> 01:30:45,340
there are a couple there's a couple of

1732
01:30:49,770 --> 01:30:48,639
books there's a book by T lopsy grandpa

1733
01:30:51,270 --> 01:30:49,780
called the third eye

1734
01:30:52,830 --> 01:30:51,280
you know we've published quite a few of

1735
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:52,840
his books and of course he's been

1736
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:55,449
deceased for many more years but that

1737
01:31:00,030 --> 01:30:57,210
book the third eye when was that written

1738
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:00,040
1953 or something like that that book

1739
01:31:05,310 --> 01:31:03,489
still remains in print you know there

1740
01:31:09,090 --> 01:31:05,320
are a couple of titles like that that

1741
01:31:12,300 --> 01:31:09,100
just stay around you know forever a

1742
01:31:15,330 --> 01:31:12,310
dweller on two planets that I know Nick

1743
01:31:18,660 --> 01:31:15,340
contributed as some material to that we

1744
01:31:21,090 --> 01:31:18,670
put out we had Sean Castile kind of edit

1745
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:21,100
the the book which is a monumental task

1746
01:31:26,939 --> 01:31:24,010
and try to modernize it a little bit

1747
01:31:31,860 --> 01:31:26,949
because the the language and the English

1748
01:31:37,290 --> 01:31:31,870
and there was a little bit well that's

1749
01:31:40,020 --> 01:31:37,300
it for today but you I've said before

1750
01:31:43,229 --> 01:31:40,030
and I've tried to say it in the reviews

1751
01:31:46,020 --> 01:31:43,239
for your books you guys are just doing a

1752
01:31:48,990 --> 01:31:46,030
tremendous service to the field by

1753
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:49,000
keeping those old classics that you know

1754
01:31:55,229 --> 01:31:52,690
the guys and gals who sit and watch the

1755
01:31:56,939 --> 01:31:55,239
TV shows on the paranormal and think

1756
01:31:58,800 --> 01:31:56,949
they're getting educated you know

1757
01:32:01,110 --> 01:31:58,810
they'll never hear about them they'll

1758
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:01,120
never read them unless they happen to

1759
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:03,489
get one of your newsletters which is

1760
01:32:06,870 --> 01:32:04,719
very good by the way

1761
01:32:09,330 --> 01:32:06,880
but I mean you're just doing a great

1762
01:32:12,330 --> 01:32:09,340
service and if you have Sean or if you

1763
01:32:14,610 --> 01:32:12,340
have Tim you know kind of dress it up a

1764
01:32:17,459 --> 01:32:14,620
little bit or put it into a context

1765
01:32:20,700 --> 01:32:17,469
there is absolutely nothing offensive

1766
01:32:24,060 --> 01:32:20,710
about that in the pure academic sense

1767
01:32:26,850 --> 01:32:24,070
this is just bringing into the context

1768
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:26,860
so people today can apprehend it we've

1769
01:32:32,399 --> 01:32:29,770
done we've done quite a few fascinating

1770
01:32:36,330 --> 01:32:32,409
titles that would have been lost for all

1771
01:32:39,530 --> 01:32:36,340
time we did a a book recently on mad

1772
01:32:41,399 --> 01:32:39,540
molly from a Brooklyn who was this

1773
01:32:44,340 --> 01:32:41,409
super-sensitive she had a kind of a

1774
01:32:46,470 --> 01:32:44,350
religion to twist to her psychic nature

1775
01:32:49,020 --> 01:32:46,480
but you know she said mostly didn't eat

1776
01:32:50,669 --> 01:32:49,030
or sleep for five or ten years or

1777
01:32:52,360 --> 01:32:50,679
something like that I don't we actually

1778
01:32:54,310 --> 01:32:52,370
we actually got a decent review

1779
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:54,320
fourteen times that gave us a eight or a

1780
01:32:59,920 --> 01:32:57,530
nine and that's something they don't

1781
01:33:02,890 --> 01:32:59,930
normally do to too many of our books you

1782
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:02,900
know and the Davenport brothers I did a

1783
01:33:06,810 --> 01:33:05,450
book commercially and now as far as I'm

1784
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:06,820
concerned they were either the greatest

1785
01:33:13,420 --> 01:33:11,450
hoaxers and the in spiritualism or the

1786
01:33:16,750 --> 01:33:13,430
best mediums of all time depending upon

1787
01:33:21,700 --> 01:33:16,760
you know what you want right bolero and

1788
01:33:25,930 --> 01:33:21,710
and we've we've kept the dispute between

1789
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:25,940
Houdini and and Conan Doyle going for

1790
01:33:32,350 --> 01:33:27,530
quite a number of years here I think we

1791
01:33:34,180 --> 01:33:32,360
have books on the subject

1792
01:33:38,410 --> 01:33:34,190
and you know the sci-fi channel actually

1793
01:33:39,790 --> 01:33:38,420
has a series that started but I think

1794
01:33:42,010 --> 01:33:39,800
anybody knows about it because it's

1795
01:33:44,260 --> 01:33:42,020
already on Amazon or something like that

1796
01:33:46,930 --> 01:33:44,270
you know I guess it's been going for

1797
01:33:49,330 --> 01:33:46,940
about a month or so now oil and and

1798
01:33:51,700 --> 01:33:49,340
Houdini course it's it's all hyped up

1799
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:51,710
and it has nothing to draw all hyped up

1800
01:33:57,910 --> 01:33:55,250
alright and there's actually even a

1801
01:33:59,650 --> 01:33:57,920
series in England about Harry price that

1802
01:34:01,600 --> 01:33:59,660
has nothing to do with Harry price but

1803
01:34:06,580 --> 01:34:01,610
they've used his name or something like

1804
01:34:10,660 --> 01:34:06,590
that well we are coming very close to

1805
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:10,670
the end of the bread Steiger tribute and

1806
01:34:14,530 --> 01:34:13,010
I just want to say it Nick what are you

1807
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:14,540
working on now what can we look forward

1808
01:34:18,750 --> 01:34:18,170
to seeing from you in the next month or

1809
01:34:22,060 --> 01:34:18,760
so

1810
01:34:23,950 --> 01:34:22,070
well about six weeks time I've got a

1811
01:34:25,780 --> 01:34:23,960
book coming out called women in black

1812
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:25,790
which is like these as the title

1813
01:34:30,250 --> 01:34:27,890
suggests or the female counterparts of

1814
01:34:33,220 --> 01:34:30,260
the men in black and I've got dozens of

1815
01:34:35,950 --> 01:34:33,230
accounts of people had UFO encounters

1816
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:35,960
and then being visited by these sort of

1817
01:34:40,570 --> 01:34:37,760
creepy women in black and be sort of

1818
01:34:42,490 --> 01:34:40,580
very I guess underappreciated aspects of

1819
01:34:45,070 --> 01:34:42,500
the UFO phenomenon so you know hopefully

1820
01:34:47,890 --> 01:34:45,080
people find that intriguing you know

1821
01:34:50,410 --> 01:34:47,900
serve and after 70 years a new angle or

1822
01:34:53,290 --> 01:34:50,420
a relatively new angle that you are you

1823
01:34:55,210 --> 01:34:53,300
are you are you are the mid man of the

1824
01:34:56,590 --> 01:34:55,220
hour there's no there's no doubt about

1825
01:34:58,560 --> 01:34:56,600
it what are you this would be your

1826
01:35:00,670 --> 01:34:58,570
fourth book on the on the men in black

1827
01:35:05,410 --> 01:35:00,680
well I've done three on the men in black

1828
01:35:05,979 --> 01:35:05,420
and this one well keep turning a

1829
01:35:07,780 --> 01:35:05,989
mountain it

1830
01:35:11,140 --> 01:35:07,790
and every time you have a new book we'll

1831
01:35:13,870 --> 01:35:11,150
have you on the show and congratulations

1832
01:35:18,310 --> 01:35:13,880
with everything Brett thank you Nick

1833
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:18,320
well I must say this is the fastest to

1834
01:35:23,350 --> 01:35:21,650
ours and it has been a real enjoyable

1835
01:35:26,500 --> 01:35:23,360
time once you agree it's been a very

1836
01:35:27,940 --> 01:35:26,510
enjoyable evening oh yeah any time we

1837
01:35:32,410 --> 01:35:27,950
get a chance to talk to a brand it's

1838
01:35:34,810 --> 01:35:32,420
enjoyable and we look forward to you

1839
01:35:39,370 --> 01:35:34,820
know I haven't read your new book yet I

1840
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:39,380
helped the to crack it open very soon

1841
01:35:42,850 --> 01:35:41,330
what kind of started on it but you know

1842
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:42,860
I've got so much here too

1843
01:35:49,450 --> 01:35:44,930
been working on it not not see time

1844
01:35:52,300 --> 01:35:49,460
travel book that's our next well one is

1845
01:35:56,979 --> 01:35:52,310
on the book is on the way to you because

1846
01:35:59,830 --> 01:35:56,989
I told the publisher Tim is one of my

1847
01:36:02,440 --> 01:35:59,840
oldest friends will do a great job but

1848
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:02,450
he wants to do another program so he

1849
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:05,450
should have a book well you know we

1850
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:08,239
probably were but we probably were sent

1851
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:10,250
a book but if you remember we had a fire

1852
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:12,800
in the building yeah I know you I know

1853
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:14,690
you were sent one and I know I'm gonna

1854
01:36:19,930 --> 01:36:17,090
get that from the publicist I'm sure I'm

1855
01:36:23,770 --> 01:36:19,940
sure it it went back along with a lot of

1856
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:23,780
the other you know mail mmm and anyway

1857
01:36:30,250 --> 01:36:27,920
thank you bread and say thank you thank

1858
01:36:32,229 --> 01:36:30,260
you and all the people who popped in I

1859
01:36:43,810 --> 01:36:32,239
I'm sitting here still kind of stunned

1860
01:36:49,850 --> 01:36:46,640
you've been listening to exploring the

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